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  • Linus Tech Tips
    Linus Tech Tips  Před 2 měsíci +3405

    ps. We know that the Ecobees can actually be wired into the zone valves directly, but this setup gives us much greater flexibility with full HomeAssistant control, and the potential for configuring the Ecobees and American Standard thermostats to work together better.

    • Micah Nightwolf
      Micah Nightwolf Před měsícem

      Maybe an air baffle of some kind would keep the american non-standard thermostats from roasting the ecobees so much.

    • KRUTIBASH Pattnaik
      KRUTIBASH Pattnaik Před měsícem +2

      @Debodeep Chowdhury Aaa.... I can understand a little bit but I can't speak..... 😅😅😅😅😅

    • Debodeep Chowdhury
      Debodeep Chowdhury Před měsícem +1

      @KRUTIBASH Pattnaik Can you speakBengali?
      Jai Jagganaath🙏🏼
      Odisha Is progressing With Grace of God even too much vulnerable for cyclones😖

    • KRUTIBASH Pattnaik
      KRUTIBASH Pattnaik Před měsícem +2

      @Debodeep Chowdhury and from INDIA 🇮🇳, ODISHA also 😉

    • Fundemort Prime Defender Truth&Justice
      Fundemort Prime Defender Truth&Justice Před měsícem +1

      my smart girlfriend is stupid.

  • andrew pappas
    andrew pappas Před 2 měsíci +1172

    I remember working in HVAC and we had a house that we installed AC in and The homeowner complained that it would freeze her out in the afternoon. We asked her what time and she said around 3:00 so made an appointment to be there the next day at 3:00. The light would come in from the window and hit a mirror and get reflected onto the thermostat like it was Indiana Jones finding the room where the ark of the covenant is held. We just tilted that mirror bit, problem solved

    • Michal Kundrát
      Michal Kundrát Před 13 dny

      Reminds me of problem at work, when camera on one machine stopped working randomly. It was happening for about three days at relatively same time, so one day I came in sooner. There was square of sunlight, sized about 5x5 centimeters traveling thru whole plant and that one machine. And somehow it traveled exactly over camera lens! Solution? I just grabbed some sticker and placed it on plexiglass cover on machine :D

    • Kelsey D
      Kelsey D Před 28 dny

      That's hilarious.

    • CharisJ
      CharisJ Před měsícem +2

      lol, I'm happy that I live in tropical country so we doesn't really need to control my room temp, just my lovely fan is enough. well a lot of people using AC too here, I just can't afford it and can't really stand cold

    • Daryl Sonnier
      Daryl Sonnier Před 2 měsíci +7

      Totally different type of problem, but I recall a satellite Internet connection that would go down like clockwork in the morning. The problem was reported for a few weeks. Finally, we were able to check it while it was offline rather than getting to the location after it had come back online. Turned out that dew was getting into the coax shorting it out, but later in the morning it was evaporated fixing the connection. A little application of dielectric grease to prevent the moisture ingress solved that problem. It's funny how things you'd never normally think of being related to a problem can absolutely be the specific issue.

    • bvilleD
      bvilleD Před 2 měsíci +3

      Lol, people forget the actual thermostat unit is what's reading the whole house's temp.

  • BitTrippn
    BitTrippn Před měsícem +411

    If Linus ever sells this house, they're going to have to write a massive technical manual for the new owners and be on call for tech support just to turn the heat on.

    • hari krishnan
      hari krishnan Před 12 dny +1

      "they're going to have to write a massive technical manual for the new owners" reminds me of Mr.Bean in Man vs Bee when they gave him a manual for their over complicated house XD chclip.net/video/PDTgmRdODQY/video.html

    • djbadandy1
      djbadandy1 Před 17 dny

      No one would buy it after seeing that mech room, so no prob!

    • Jeroen a
      Jeroen a Před měsícem

      I recently sold my house and i took everything with me to our new build house. everything still worked manually so i also destroyed the technical manual and am writing a new one ;)

    • reuben yes please
      reuben yes please Před měsícem +5

      It will basically be impossible to sell a house like this without ripping all the tech out. It's all super niche to Linus' needs. Very unlikely he will ever want to sell though.

    • Thomas Meade
      Thomas Meade Před měsícem +7

      Thats why thay made the videos never mind the next owner but him in 5 years like what the hell was the plan with this or how did I rig this thing up and make it work years ago

  • SnootBooper
    SnootBooper Před měsícem +750

    I feel like the amount of effort that goes into fully setting up this system so that you never have to touch the thermostat again is equal to the amount of effort you'd spend over a lifetime adjusting the temperature valve on your radiators manually.

    • Khazoo
      Khazoo Před 17 dny +1

      @FuckedUpGenius Yeah I set a schedule on my boiler in 1999 and I think I might have changed it once. The radiator in each room has a thermostat on it, technology from the 50s.
      Smart homes are very dumb.

    • FuckedUpGenius
      FuckedUpGenius Před 22 dny +1

      I have a smart heater that allows me to set a program and never look at it again. It took about 15 minutes to set up, it has a tablet-like controller in the living room and works with an app. Easy as can be.
      I've only manually adjusted temperatures a couple of times in the past few years, mainly when my mom was visiting and complaining about the cold 😂

    • JTK
      JTK Před měsícem

      It’s definitely more of a hobbyist thing than average consumer. That’s _starting_ to change but it’s still stupidly complicated if you’re inexperienced.

    • Ed Grimm
      Ed Grimm Před měsícem

      @Tyler Hauth I would not be bold enough to claim that much. I don't know Linus that well. But I have known people who would futz with their thermostat something like a dozen times a day.
      To be clear, that was due to them attempting to be energy conscientious with an old thermostat and not much sense of finesse.
      So they'd get up in the morning, run to the thermostat, jack it all the way up, run back to bed to get under the covers where it's warm, then wait until it was too warm under the covers. Then they get up, shower, get dressed, decide it's far too warm, so drop the thermostat all the way down.
      That would probably last until time to go to work, at which point they'd set it up to 50 to keep the pipes from freezing.
      When they came home, they'd go into the same kind of routine, doing the work the thermostat would have automated had they any sense.
      I'm not sure if they continued doing that. I haven't seen them in decades. But when I went over to visit, after they'd turn the thermostat all the way down, I took to moving it up to about 5 degrees less than where it happened to be just then, and they'd enjoy a night of not messing with the thermostat all the time.
      I'd like to think that Linus has more sense than they were demonstrating. But then he suggested that *this* was going to be a net time saver, so I do have to wonder just how much was he futzing with the thermostat.
      However much it was, it would've been less effort than what this took. I think if he messed with his thermostat about the normal amount, that 5000 factor might be about right. I just don't feel like it could've been accurate for him, unless the real purpose behind all of this was to just get another video out.

    • Tyler Hauth
      Tyler Hauth Před měsícem +1

      Equal? EQUAL? How about 5000x more?

  • s g
    s g Před 2 měsíci +165

    All of these smart home videos Linus makes just reinforces my desire to keep my manual mercury heat pump termostat

  • mrppbtthle5
    mrppbtthle5 Před měsícem +12

    You can offset the temperature sensor in the ecobee thermostat by looking for an option called thresholds in the installation settings and offset the temperature accordingly. I had a similar issue with my thermostat incorrectly reporting the temperature.

  • forgotten09
    forgotten09 Před 2 měsíci +7290

    Linus's smart home series is the best ad against smart home lmao

    • Andy S
      Andy S Před 4 dny

      To be fair, they're highlighting problems for content. Not much good content in "I plugged in X and it seamlessly controlled Y". Plus, he's using more fiddly solutions that are kind of fringe like Home Assistant. Those allow much more configurability, but at increased complexity most people who just throw in an Amazon/Google/Apple/Samsung solution would never see. Not saying the HA market doesn't have a LONG way to go. It does.

    • First Last
      First Last Před 21 dnem

      @Halcyonyou can just not build a Frankensteins monster of a smart home, use one providers system, and you don’t have most of his issues

    • FuckedUpGenius
      FuckedUpGenius Před 22 dny

      I have a semi-smart home, all devices run on my local network and only 1 thing, the heater, has it's own seperate controller that can't be accessed by any smart home app or hub. But it's fine, it was easy to set up and has been running smooth for years. I've saved so much money since I've had these smart devices, so I understand why someone would want a smart home.
      I just don't get why anyone would want this complicated system, it's expensive and hard to control.

    • Calvin Wong
      Calvin Wong Před měsícem

      I know people who installed heat pumps in Alberta. They are suffering on the -35C days. House is 13C as it can’t keep up. And they don’t have a server room.

    • madLphnt.
      madLphnt. Před měsícem

      Yeah pretty much the definition of overly complicated and over engineered. But i'm sure these things will lead to better solutions and innovations we can't predict.

  • Jeremy Dick
    Jeremy Dick Před 2 měsíci +28

    My take on smart home systems is that they should always only help automate or more easily control things, but not be the only way to control things. That's the downside of these fancier systems vs aftermarket add-ons, you don't have still the manual controls in place in case things stop working. Most everything in my house I can now control from my phone, yet my wife who can't be bothered can still do things the old school way.

    • Runehorn
      Runehorn Před měsícem +2

      I think this is the wisest way to go about creating your smart home systems.

  • Kairon156
    Kairon156 Před měsícem +7

    I love how much tech your house has, and I enjoy that you know enough to keep the interface communication well in-house.
    Thanks for making this a YT series by the way, I'll never own my own home so it's cool to see what a fellow tech nerd would be able to do.

  • JJ Smith
    JJ Smith Před měsícem +61

    I'll still never understand why people want everything in there house to have a screen and twenty times more prone to failure.

    • bucă
      bucă Před 15 dny

      The same reason a dog licks his balls

    • Nothing
      Nothing Před měsícem +19

      some people are technologists who love technnology, that's why. Making a smart-home is kinda like having those project cars you used to work on everyday in the 90s

  • J.T. Johnston
    J.T. Johnston Před měsícem +1

    Running physical wire from the thermostat to the zone valves would have been sooo much easier and more reliable.

  • Charles Milner
    Charles Milner Před 2 měsíci +3112

    After watching this, my conclusion is that "smart homes" and "home assistant/homekit" are all so insanely complicated that it only works if have Jake come over to your house to install it.

    • redmanticore
      redmanticore Před dnem

      really, more worth your money to invest into passive solutions. like energy saving houses.

    • sync acct
      sync acct Před 15 dny

      @chieffw you can do building automation properly (KNX), or do a hack, i.e., the Linus way

    • Post Rock Mixes
      Post Rock Mixes Před 15 dny

      They work fine just don't be stupidly picky.
      Or. Don't adopt the brand new stuff and stick to lightbulbs and power plugs for now.

    • I killed that beard guy
      I killed that beard guy Před 19 dny

      Better do manually no need for smarthome, it is better for your physical health

    • G-Rex
      G-Rex Před 20 dny

      @John Gelnaw my stability issues are more than just Z-Wave. The integration in home assistant broke for me at one point (don't upgrade to a x.x.1 home assistant version) and I have a few switches on a circuit with a motion flood light. When that light turns on, the other lights dim for a moment. I suspect that effect is happening in the switches as well, so the switches are getting errors that cause them to fudge up the mesh. Way better than ADT's implementation, though. If the mesh gets messed up for ADT, you lose all your devices for months.

  • RandomTorok
    RandomTorok Před měsícem +7

    Hey Linus; Christmas gift tip: A few years ago someone gave us a bed cover that heats the bed. Not an electric blanket, this goes on over the mattress and under the sheets. Has a control for each side of the bed so I can have a cold bed and the fiancé has a nice warm bed.

    • Lacsap3366
      Lacsap3366 Před měsícem +2

      I bet you can even get one with Zigbee / Tasmota or HomeKit support.

  • Giddzy
    Giddzy Před 2 měsíci +1

    i love the fact that every video linus does on smart home shows the lack of knowledge he has and thus solidifies how little he knows

  • venom5809
    venom5809 Před měsícem +2

    This seems way way more complicated than it needs to be. 😂

  • cimbakahn
    cimbakahn Před 2 měsíci +2

    You need a thermostat on each floor to keep the heat even throughout the entire home.

  • Emir K
    Emir K Před 2 měsíci +744

    The dual thermostats with neither actually doing a full job is killing me 😂

    • Nick
      Nick Před měsícem +2

      @Kenny W. Ashton in another video they installed a weird AC unit that has one compressor unit outside and air handlers in each room... which is proprietary and only works with its special thermostat.

    • Farmer Motts
      Farmer Motts Před měsícem

      Ya its a big issue with smart home stuff.

    • White Goodman
      White Goodman Před 2 měsíci

      @Andy Brice The wonders of too much tech in a house.

    • TechChrisHD
      TechChrisHD Před 2 měsíci +1

      @Kenny W. Ashton The heat pump stuff seems weird to me. They certainly do have a floor where they stop working, surely it shouldn't be hitting that this early in the year. It should be like, once in a while on very very cold days. I only spent one winter with mine in my old house but there wasn't a single day it was too cold for the heat pump, in maritime Canada.

    • Swarm509
      Swarm509 Před 2 měsíci

      @alex lacey It sounds like Linus wants as much moved away from the American Standard thermostats as he can, and only has them since the A/C apparently has to go through them due to propriety communication issues (whatever those are).

  • Sam
    Sam Před měsícem +2

    As a heating tech this hurt to see how your controls were designed. Separate thermostat for heating and cooling instead of one common, thermostats not directly powering the zone valves. In my opinion the "wireless" zone relays are redundant and serve no purpose other than needless complexity and I doubt that this will provide better integration between the thermostats. But hey at least it makes for content! Still love the channel and that IBC boiler is a beaut ;)
    PS - You may not know this but Tekmar is based out of Vernon, it would have been nice to show them some love! Consider replacing the ecobee's, zone relays and american standard stats with some of their stuff. If you need some advise reach out!

  • Радослав Николаев

    My problem with Home Assistant is all the automation logic is done with YAML config files, which is like trying to write e-mail with a mouse and a virtual keyboard. Just look how a simple oneliner if statement looks like in the HA's Automation UI (14:54)

    • sandos
      sandos Před 17 dny

      You can use other stuff as well of course, but then youre adding even more parts to fail. Node red is kind of awesome, I'm trying not to use it though...

  • Coffee Nerd
    Coffee Nerd Před měsícem

    You got that right Jake, thank you Apple! I love my homekit smart home and I'm only waiting on the new wave of devices with matter before buying another device. I can confidently say that my smart home has been much more reliable than Linus'.

  • Arden Shibley
    Arden Shibley Před 2 měsíci +2

    12:07 You can adjust / offset the temperature on the screen on an ecobee! You can display higher or lower depending on preferences.

  • K-JSR
    K-JSR Před 2 měsíci +1

    If smart home stuff was about 10x more streamlined and everything integrated easily, it'd be worth it. As someone who tried to smart home all the things, found it was more like having a second job. Getting things integrated was a pain, but thought it'd be a one-off thing. But I'm kind of amazed at how frequently simple things break with home-assistant. I get it's free and open-source and community managed so of course it's going to have some jank. But the benefits aren't worth the effort.

  • Sterlii
    Sterlii Před 2 měsíci

    This just shows how much smart homes can be easily beaten by a simple mechanical solution

  • Joe Herbert
    Joe Herbert Před měsícem +2

    I love Mqtt - It's great for situations in which multiple publishers need to broadcast to multiple subscribers (something like thermostats (pub) to an AC (sub) or heater (sub) .

  • Jibin Dani
    Jibin Dani Před měsícem +1

    I had this same setup using ecobee as a simple thermostat. Eventually switched to just using a thermostat on homeassistant and having a tablet on the wall with a custom home assistant dashboard. I stopped using the ecobee since I kept having weird bugs/disconnection issues. Great setup now with homeassistant! Thanks for the video.

  • HJ GE
    HJ GE Před 2 měsíci +691

    If anything, what all these videos about Linus his house have taught me, is that I don't want a smart home. It's just WAY more trouble than it's worth.

    • TheSmJ
      TheSmJ Před 2 měsíci

      @RobbidyRob But how long would it take to recoup those costs from utility savings?

    • TellyMonster
      TellyMonster Před 2 měsíci

      Smart home isn't the issue. He has a gigantic house with complicated systems that the average person doesn't have to deal with.

    • Jorrit Ohm
      Jorrit Ohm Před 2 měsíci

      It taught me that a professional home automation system like knx or loxone is worth the extra cost.

    • GCAT01 Living
      GCAT01 Living Před 2 měsíci

      SAME!

    • Dylan Sallee
      Dylan Sallee Před 2 měsíci +2

      They are WAY over-complicating things for the standing user - imo to a fault. Smart home stuff should be simple, reliable, and maintainable. Having the whole system based on a local server with open-source, community maintains plugins and such just isn’t the way to go (unless you love tinkering with it, or making videos). Something like Apple’s HomeKit keeps everything local, is very secure, and is so much easier to setup for a normal user. Quinn from SnazzyLabs did a really good video about his smart home based on these principals, and because of those, he has had a much better experience.

  • Bluenation
    Bluenation Před 2 měsíci +2

    Just as I had plans to setup my smart home, I threw them off the window. Don't get me wrong, I'll setup a Pi based security camera, or even tasmota with tasmoadmin for some iot development and ota updates (still haven't found a good way to update them). But subjecting all of your house for this seems kinda weird. My friend has a smart home setup, that works, but that includes continuous maintenance, and even though their "ongoing cost" of heating/cooling is lower, I doubt that the constant 1-2kW of servers running constantly doesn't turn that on it's head. I have a simple gas heating box (lost the word for it, sry) that does radiators and hot water with 60L tank capacity that it can re-heat, shall it get too cold. And a single AC strategically positioned between two floors on the stairs. It helps with the run-up run-down between summer and winter with hot air heating and in summer with cold air. Investing all of this money into proper house isolation inside out in the first place, would go miles by itself.

  • Christopher's Reef
    Christopher's Reef Před měsícem

    I love these smart home videos, I work in the IoT smart building industry on the commercial end and we have been implementing our solution for AGES. So cool to see this being done by a CHclipr. p.s. MQTT is sweet! we implement thing kind of tech to thousands of sites allowing control from a single platform (our own ;) ) to hundreds of sites. This wasn’t meant to be a shameless plug but here we are… #t-macTechnologies

  • DwanyeSass
    DwanyeSass Před měsícem

    There's a configurable temperature reading offset for the ecobee that'll solve your American standard radiant heat issue. Assuming it's always off by a roughly constant temperature difference

  • Rose
    Rose Před měsícem +3

    I never really considered needing several blankets that big of a deal but now that I think of it I guess most people have good enough heating that they usually don't need more than 1

    • MH
      MH Před měsícem

      Just this week bumped my blanket count up to 4. Still have 2 spares ready lol.
      What's wrong with using more blankets anyway? XD

  • Sean M
    Sean M Před 2 měsíci +5183

    Blaming Jake, always a good way to go.

    • M W
      M W Před 2 měsíci

      Blame Jake, fire Colton.

    • Jeremy DeCaro
      Jeremy DeCaro Před 2 měsíci

      Repent and believe in Jesus. John 3:16 KJV - For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
      Luke 13:3 KJV - I tell you nay: but except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish.
      John 3:3 KJV - “Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.”

    • RealDotty
      RealDotty Před 2 měsíci

      Jake should blame his weight 🥱

    • PrettyRickey
      PrettyRickey Před 2 měsíci

      Jake is the only one to blame I don’t blame him

    • J L
      J L Před 2 měsíci

      Colton must be sleeping better, someone is temporarily most likely to be fired

  • Repair Update Repeat
    Repair Update Repeat Před 2 měsíci +1

    Don't forget to balance your radiators in the system as well. I could make a big difference👍

  • Franklin Allen
    Franklin Allen Před 2 měsíci

    Yeah, those thermostats should be side by side to stop them from interfering with each other.
    Thermostats are not heavy enough to need to be stud mounted.

  • Evan Edstrom
    Evan Edstrom Před 2 měsíci +4

    Now you have local control! If your relay board ever goes out and you need heat before you can fix it, you can manually turn on zones by pushing that silver lever all the way to the right. There's spring tension you are working against when the zone valve is not powered. But if you just push the silver lever with more force you can run the zone.
    There is a little metal hook on the bottom that you can get the lever to rest in, thereby holding it open without power.

  • ben tot
    ben tot Před měsícem

    ecobee has remote sensors that could be paired. you could put the remote sensor in a good suitable location and disable the thermostat reading.

  • D G
    D G Před měsícem

    Theres a setting in ecobees to adjust the thermostat reading. Just figure out how much hotter the other thermostat is making the reading and adjust it the other way

  • Balkar Aulakh
    Balkar Aulakh Před 2 měsíci

    Dang, the boiler is capable of outdoor reset, isn't it? I think using that and keeping basic thermostats would've been more cost-effective

  • v2joecr
    v2joecr Před měsícem

    Also, don't put thermostats above other electronics like security panels. They output heat as well causing issues with the thermostats.

  • Matthew Maxwell-Burton
    Matthew Maxwell-Burton Před 2 měsíci

    Or get an open therm controller and control the water temp. Plus a pid controller through home assistant with a cycle set at 30 mins

  • mugstep
    mugstep Před 2 měsíci +543

    As a former plumber, I cannot fathom why anyone would willingly do this to themselves.

    • Smart Towel RG-400
      Smart Towel RG-400 Před 2 měsíci

      Cuz it got millions of.views throughout all the Videos

    • Miles
      Miles Před 2 měsíci

      @TheAkashicTraveller I assume they'd leave the home assistant installation when selling the house.

    • MrSixty
      MrSixty Před 2 měsíci +2

      I'm an IT guy and I'd RUN from this house if I saw it on the open market. Jake will never be able to take a vacation more than an hour's drive away! To need a phone AND A LAPTOP to turn on the heat... 😂 😂 😂

    • thaddeusabear
      thaddeusabear Před 2 měsíci

      @muyoso probably going to have to find a different channel for that, sure there’s a niche home improvement channel centered around tech with 3k subscribers that makes quality content. Keep digging in that search bar.

    • Kat Tsun
      Kat Tsun Před 2 měsíci

      @TheAkashicTraveller Selling a smart home should be considered fraud lmao.

  • Zach Stammen
    Zach Stammen Před měsícem

    You really should have went with a bosch heat pump that can run off of any thermostat and are more efficient than any traditional heat pump. You might have been even capable of running it off of your Zwave system. The bosch heat pump is also variable in that it adjusts the compressor capacity by itself as the load changes.

  • William Hall
    William Hall Před 2 měsíci

    What I am finding with my Ecobee is that it seems to have IR based temp sensing on the front. And if you point the thermostat and something hot (or cold) it will throw it off. For example, mine is in the hallways where the return is... BUT it faces into the laundry room. So if dryer is going, it thinks the rest of the house is hotter than it actually. is...

  • Frantic Uploader
    Frantic Uploader Před měsícem

    I could totally set this up myself...my dad has an awesome set of tools. ~ Spicoli

  • Jo Markopoulos
    Jo Markopoulos Před 2 měsíci

    One could just use a smart thermostat with a temp probe for underfloor heating to solve all of linuses problems. They have an effective smart fuzzylogic processor to track temp changes as a function of heating effort /time. You could spend just 40$ to do the work on autopilot.

  • InfinitePCGaming
    InfinitePCGaming Před 2 měsíci +256

    Can't wait for the video of Jake explaining to the next home owners how everything works.

    • iampsq
      iampsq Před 2 měsíci +3

      After the sell you will have to subscribe Jake on a monthly fee to keep it all running... Finally, your home as a service.

    • Suburban Nerd
      Suburban Nerd Před 2 měsíci +6

      "Here's a CHclip playlist"

    • Jimmy Zhao
      Jimmy Zhao Před 2 měsíci +21

      They'll revert back to dumb mercury switches.

  • Quicklysaw6
    Quicklysaw6 Před měsícem

    I love how these smart AC/Heater controls can be overridden by city/state authorizes with a simple signed order and call to utility company. All in an effort to reduce strain on the grid and fight climate change theory!

  • RCA TV
    RCA TV Před měsícem

    The more you overtake the plumbing, the easier it is to clog the drain!

  • zac thanepohn
    zac thanepohn Před 2 měsíci

    Ecobee has room sensors that connect via Bluetooth/wifi to the thermostat so you can read the temp of the room from somewhere else

  • Liam Jago
    Liam Jago Před měsícem

    3:01 his look says it all.. Linus would never be able to figure that out on his own lmao

  • Adrian Malkovich
    Adrian Malkovich Před 2 měsíci +1457

    "Dad, my room is cold!"
    "Okay, let me just quickly reboot the house."
    From the wireless speakers to all of the thermostats everywhere to the light switches that don't work, this house is absolutely hilarious.

    • Post Rock Mixes
      Post Rock Mixes Před 15 dny +1

      The funny thing is he could have just bought normal temperature sensors that interfaced with a network over wire. And then write yourself a simply webpage that can be accessed from anywhere on the network on any device.
      This is some weird ass blend between DIY and someone else doing it for you. Thats his problem. He should have gone mainstream or done actual DIY.

    • Joe Gibes
      Joe Gibes Před měsícem

      @Koots Yeah I feel like the HVAC in the mechanical room should be wired, to avoid all the wifi issues they've been having...

    • Joe Gibes
      Joe Gibes Před měsícem

      @Koots I feel like this home was just too early for Matter devices, which should eliminate most of the interconnection problems.
      These Home Assistant add-ons are admittedly hacky ways to get proprietary systems to work together.... Compared to Matter, which is designed to work together from the start.

    • VitalVampyr
      VitalVampyr Před 2 měsíci

      @Michael If you're really desperate for heat and the smart thermostat isn't working you could just pull it off the wall and short the heat wire like an analog thermostat does.

    • cck
      cck Před 2 měsíci +1

      Just put the server in the kid room and it will heat it up just nice..... in winter. You need to move it elsewhere in Summer sadly.

  • Jonobi Musashi
    Jonobi Musashi Před měsícem +1

    Jake has job security for the rest of their time at that house lol

  • Apex the Destroyer
    Apex the Destroyer Před 2 měsíci

    Just add a few wireless temperature sensors that double as presence sensors and turn off the thermostat sensor.

  • JT Syo
    JT Syo Před 2 měsíci

    Linus consider a 3D printed shield to protect the Ecobee from the extra heat.

  • MKFM Gaming
    MKFM Gaming Před měsícem

    i reccomend heated blankets for when you dont have heat. its a game changer and you just need that and a blanket for on top of the heated blanket to trap the heat. 10/10

  • Stuie444
    Stuie444 Před 2 měsíci +405

    I love how it's been over a year now and Linus STILL doesn't have a functioning home HVAC system. His wife must be *miles* more patient and understanding than mine.

    • Planefan 08
      Planefan 08 Před měsícem

      @TabMaster I figured but remembered Americans abbreviate regions online and that Lamborghinis are not comfortable places in Canadian winters.

    • Tree Kicker
      Tree Kicker Před 2 měsíci

      IT prolly taking longer cause they trying to monetize everything they can about the house,

    • TabMaster
      TabMaster  Před 2 měsíci

      @WorldTravel1518 that was my point lol idk what you're getting at

    • WorldTravel1518
      WorldTravel1518 Před 2 měsíci

      @TabMaster Obviously, and the person who corrected them was being an idiot.

    • TabMaster
      TabMaster  Před 2 měsíci +1

      I would agree with that however with the context it's obvious he's not talking about California lol

  • D N
    D N Před měsícem +1

    I’m sure it’s already in the comments but you should checkout esphome for your esp based devices, it kicks ass over tasmota … you basically write similar YAML to home assistant, but it’s like 10x more configurable

  • Jbru
    Jbru Před měsícem

    It's more reliable to control in-floor heating based on the temperature in the zone loop (water temperature sensore). This creates a baseline temperature in the room that the heat pumps can be used to bring the rest of the way up to the comfortable setpoint without having to work as hard. This also allows the in-floor heating to run at a more stable setting rather than being subject to the fast changes an air sensing thermometer can be exposed to.

  • The Dude
    The Dude Před měsícem

    I love how linus has grown so much throughout the years

    • JB
      JB Před měsícem

      He's still small though

  • tengelgeer
    tengelgeer Před měsícem

    Just use a single thermostat, it's making it all to complicated.
    And hey, my living room is 18 degrees and comfortable :) And the bedroom is like 14 degrees.

  • Neil McNess
    Neil McNess Před 2 měsíci +318

    I love Linus going on about how cold it is in his house and Jake is casually standing in the background wearing shorts and t-shirt

    • Lurker 7502
      Lurker 7502 Před 2 měsíci +1

      @TheFather I'll t-shirt while shoveling in a storm, so long as it's not too windy. And I'll still be sweating.

    • TheFather
      TheFather Před 2 měsíci +1

      @armanke1366 no shit. Fat warms up body. I used to shorts and t-shirt when it was snowing outside. I don't do that now. Cold as fk now

    • Lion King138
      Lion King138 Před 2 měsíci

      I felt that when the floorheat pipes started to warm up. floor was 11c That's the temp I have to change from shorts to trousers :D

    • Anuja Nimesh
      Anuja Nimesh Před 2 měsíci +1

      @Willian Souza I live near the equator, We're used to temps around 30C
      it's hot to us when the weather app says "feels like 41C" from 11PM to about 2PM. I pretty much stay shirtless all day when at home.
      Nights are around 20C, sometimes a bit lower. I did and do use a thin blanket when sleeping.
      Out of habit I stayed shirtless even in the december in previous years. But in this year after I've lost some weight, I feel cold and want to put a tshirt as soon as the sun sets

    • Anuja Nimesh
      Anuja Nimesh Před 2 měsíci +1

      @Shwalamazula always love to see things about the body explained scientifically

  • SomeOrdinary Stan
    SomeOrdinary Stan Před 2 měsíci

    It would have been way way simpler if he hired an professional for installing this system.
    These systems are complicated and always have small things that need to be done in a certain way to make it work perfectly.
    A good professional would not have to go through this try and learn process which people watching this video will put against having smart home.

  • Alex C.
    Alex C. Před 2 měsíci

    Man jake's laugh at the intro is killing me, it's perfect hahaha!

  • Lost in the Magic
    Lost in the Magic Před 2 měsíci

    Jake's smart, the longer stuff doesn't work at the house, the longer he gets to basically live there fixing things. *taps forehead*

  • Max Lu
    Max Lu Před měsícem

    For the life of me I will never know why he’s doing this. Must not be too busy at LTT

  • Weißbrot
    Weißbrot Před 2 měsíci +45

    I learned one important lesson watching Linus's house problems, absolutely never go full high-tech on home stuff, causes nothing but problems for a slight increase in comfort

    • N D
      N D Před 2 měsíci

      To get comfy we gotta get right uncomfy

    • Lukáš Klečka
      Lukáš Klečka Před 2 měsíci +3

      Indeed. For heating in particular just get yourself a heat pump with weather compensation and once you set it up you never touch it again. No thermostats needed.

  • kevin waag
    kevin waag Před 2 měsíci

    for a house that you completely rebuild, you still seem to add to added. a lot of the new stuff could have been installed before in the walls

  • RhinoNigel
    RhinoNigel Před měsícem

    With the thermometers reading too hot bc of the ac controllers..can’t you just adjust the heat to a few degrees warmer to compensate?

  • Skyler
    Skyler Před 2 měsíci

    @Linus Tech Tips you can do temperature correction on the ecobee thermostat itself where you don’t have to move it.

  • SB WM
    SB WM Před 2 měsíci

    I can't even imagine what a pain in the ass this would be for someone who wasn't getting paid making content for this. And if you were relying on a proprietary system from a professional installer... god, imagine losing heat because the cloud service controlling your baseboards went offline, or needing to wait three days for a certified smart home tech to come by and fix a network issue.

  • Icenbryse
    Icenbryse Před 2 měsíci +121

    I never thought that my tech hobby and plumbing day job would clash on this channel. This was the last place I thought I'd have zone valves and zone controllers explained to me, lol. Also, you can totally just hardwire the ecobee to a zone controller. The boiler system should be set on a reset heating curve, which combats overshoot by lowering the water temp entering the floor as the air temperature warms up outside plus the ecobee stats have a setting for boiler heating, which anticipates the heat. Another solution to the inaccurate temp readings is to adjust the temp offset in the settings on each ecobee. You can adjust + or - however many degrees off the thermostat is. Just set up a thermometer in the room and adjust the temp offset in the ecobee stats to match.

  • Todd Stidham
    Todd Stidham Před měsícem

    Yea, no thank you. A simple digital, non-cloud thermostat for me with weekday/weekend schedules. Plus, if the power goes out, I can run my heater off a 1200 watt inverter hooked to my car for days on end, because I've done it.

  • Skankhunt42
    Skankhunt42 Před 2 měsíci

    My friend setup a smart home too and its dumb. Some lights turn on when you walk into the room or certain lights switch on when the sun goes down. He spent all this time and money trying to make his home into something futuristic, but there’s no real noticeable benefit to any of it

  • Ryan Armstrong
    Ryan Armstrong Před měsícem

    So I think its best to say don't piss off Jake, He has done so much for help with all of these projects. Jake is the go to for all things when answers are lost.

  • Luke Munoz
    Luke Munoz Před měsícem

    This is why I prefer esphome to tasmota, it just pops up in home assistant vs having to configure each device

  • Eclectic Badger
    Eclectic Badger Před 2 měsíci +396

    Linus: "House, set temperature to ..."
    House: "I'm sorry Linus. I cannot let you do that."
    House: "Daisy, Daisy ..."

    • ValentineNTT
      ValentineNTT Před 2 měsíci

      Hoff9000, you son of a gun

    • bl dos
      bl dos Před 2 měsíci

      nice!

    • Old Guy Stuff - Busy Corner Lane
      Old Guy Stuff - Busy Corner Lane Před 2 měsíci +5

      Wait until the system says something like, "I'll disconnect your life support systems", or "Auto-destruct activated. 10 - 9 - 8 - 7..."

    • Jyv Ben
      Jyv Ben Před 2 měsíci +16

      @crimsonlightbinder and cutting internet access ...

    • crimsonlightbinder
      crimsonlightbinder Před 2 měsíci +35

      House: Ok Linus, setting temperature to 40c and locking all doors. 😅

  • Alexey Lyskov
    Alexey Lyskov Před měsícem

    Another great niche for tons and tons of cash to be made) The 'smarter/dumber' and more complicated the tech gets, the better off the tech-savvy guys will be, and Jake could legit call it quits and fire up another 'big business' right away, no sweat;)

  • Andrew Castiglia
    Andrew Castiglia Před měsícem

    2 thermostats per zone to control 1 set of heat pump valves. Absolutely ridiculous. Jankiest solution EVER 🤣

  • Jupiter Development
    Jupiter Development Před měsícem

    oh god.. with all of this gadgety stuff. I can't imagine what kind of tracking software he finna have for when his kids are teenagers

  • Bender716
    Bender716 Před měsícem

    TI makes a nice sensor for temperature that is both accurate and precise. How you mount it though is another story.

  • aqynbc
    aqynbc Před 2 měsíci +195

    Jake is a very smart and hard working guy, and yet does not take himself seriously. Class act.

    • Franklin Allen
      Franklin Allen Před 2 měsíci +1

      @Travis Ash Truth.
      However it is/was the only way to meet Linus's goal of having smart home control and automation without being reliant on a cloud service that might not exist tomorrow.

    • Aimero
      Aimero Před 2 měsíci +2

      @Travis Ash exactly - but it is content ;)

    • Travis Ash
      Travis Ash Před 2 měsíci +12

      The heating system is an over complicated mess.

  • Nick
    Nick Před měsícem

    I have a Nest thermostat (which I do NOT recommend) and I had to get an external sensor because I figured out air is flowing from the attic through the wall to the thermostat through the wiring hole, throwing off the temp reading.

  • agvulpine
    agvulpine Před měsícem

    I can definitely see Linus turning 40 and gutting out all the smart sht, replacing everything with mercury tilt switches he bought on the black market.

  • Mikko Rantalainen
    Mikko Rantalainen Před 2 měsíci

    Honestly, check out how Nordic manufacturer Nibe has done this, it works very well for heating. Basically the idea is to measure *outside* temperature and automatically adjust the heat input to the floor. Their system even allows adjusting the delay for the system so it can react sensibly to temperature changes. For our house, we have 2 hour delay for the system reaction time to changes in outside temperature and heat curve that matches the power needs for the house for each outside temperature (the system allows setting target temperature point on the curve for each 5 °C outdoors temperature change and it will linearly interpolate the missing values between the points).
    After that, you simply balance the amount water pushed though the loops in the concrete in each room and you run the system all thermostats fully open all the time.
    We still have a thermostat in each room but that's intented to cut the heating if e.g. Sun is shining in and heating the room too much.
    This also results in very low water temperature in the heating loops which reduces energy demands for heating the water. If I remember correctly, the system is pumping about 35 °C water into the loop if outside temperature is around -30 °C and that's enough to allow me to walk around barefoot in a t-shirt.

  • Will Slyfield
    Will Slyfield Před měsícem

    Why not just put an angled bit of metal over the unit to deflect the heat from the ecovees? Wouldn't that be easier?

  • Tom Woolley
    Tom Woolley Před 2 měsíci +443

    These videos are great for reinforcing how fragmented, unreliable and problematic smart home technology can be. It's great when it works, but it's a nightmare when it doesn't. They're time & money sinks for your house because there's too many moving parts and the hardware & software creators don't always stay updated with patches or communicate with each other.
    Overall, the smart home industry is a mess.

    • Post Rock Mixes
      Post Rock Mixes Před 15 dny

      Because he bought the worst kind.
      He is half assing DIY. If you get a proper setup that handles it for you. You have no problems. If you get a real networked thermostat and lower your ego enough to connect a network cable to it, you can control everything through a webpage you get to write yourself anywhere on your network on any device and have NONE of these problems.
      They problems exist because this system doesn't work by itself. But he also isn't the one making the system. You cannot best of both worlds that shit. You either let the smart home tech control your house for you, or you do every bit of it yourself.

    • IrisCorven
      IrisCorven Před měsícem

      Yep. Linus even talked about this when they installed the switches/thermostats/etc - They all try to go this proprietary route, and it leads to each of them having painfully horrible flaws that could be fixed by allowing each to follow the same standard. If we ever reach that point, I'd look into doing it myself, but right now the tech is too closed off and prone to issues for me to consider even replacing more than a room of light switches.

    • kal9001
      kal9001 Před měsícem

      Not just the smart home stuff, but commercial solutions aren't really much better, and they cost a lot more.
      We're constantly running into issues with stuff because they have a bad implementation of a standard such as BACnet. It's an open standard but quite complex, and it's not uncommon for different manufacturers stuff to not work together despite both using that standard, because one or both implemented it stupid.
      Or when the manufacturer decided to roll their own standard, usually this is specifically to vendor lock an install meaning unless you fork out to replace the whole system, you have to go back to them for any revisions.

    • kal9001
      kal9001 Před měsícem

      @LEGO Apocalypse Those relay boards have a manual feature where you can move a jumper over to force them on, off, or in automatic. It would be a good idea to have those wired into some switches you can operate easily so you can take manual control to isolate a part of the system if it's leaky for example, or force the heating on if the software becomes unresponsive for any reason.

    • Tim Gray
      Tim Gray Před měsícem +1

      only poorly done low end stuff. There are millions of homes that use real home automation hardware that dont have any problems for decades. Crestron is the largest, and their stuff just works when installed by a competent dealer. Control 4 is the next and then thereare some little bit players out there as well. But all require competent installers.

  • Gil Assuncao
    Gil Assuncao Před měsícem

    Hey Linus, how many WiFi networks do you have to split all the smart devices (lamps, A/C, etc..) and separate them from user devices (phones, tablets, etc...) ? ...or do you have them all in the same network ?!

  • XxItz_Pr0gxX
    XxItz_Pr0gxX Před měsícem

    Don't ever piss Jake off. He knows everything about everything in Linus' house. LOL!!!!

  • ChiefBroady
    ChiefBroady Před měsícem

    HomeKit integration on ecobees is also a lot faster than the regular integration into HA.

  • Sociopath Mercenary
    Sociopath Mercenary Před 2 měsíci

    Thanks anyway. I appreciate my smart thermostat and a couple smart outlets but this is ridiculous.

  • HappyPond
    HappyPond Před 2 měsíci +1120

    I like how every new episode of this series is a new argument against smart homes.

    • Post Rock Mixes
      Post Rock Mixes Před 15 dny

      Nah. Just have an easy to use system that handles itself or do a real DIY setup with normal thermostats that hook up via network cables. Then you can just write your own webpage that can be accessed from anywhere on your network on any device to control it.
      It sucks because he's half assing DIY. Go properly mainstream and let the company handle this for you. Or do real DIY. Half assed DIY sucks in all contexts.

    • Karl with a K
      Karl with a K Před měsícem

      I like how they set it up but throw away the millions they would make by selling a pre-configured system, lol...engineers..

    • sync acct
      sync acct Před měsícem

      @Jason Todd Save the headache and use KNX, a global building automation standard with 500+ vendors and 100.000+ partners to choose from. I have it in my house and it is used to manage Terminal 5 at Heathrow Airport among other large intallations

    • autohmae
      autohmae Před měsícem

      @Daniel Katai my guess is their are experts/consultants you can hire to tell you what systems to pick and choose because they know what works well/together.

    • EvanAC
      EvanAC Před měsícem

      @Crimin4L I hope you’re joking lmao

  • Reegareth
    Reegareth Před 2 měsíci

    I feel like this whole think could have been solved much more eligantly but I'm no expert. It just seems to be a bit overly complex.

  • Penguinty
    Penguinty Před měsícem

    couldn't you just put a heat deflector on top of the thermostats that pump heat into the ecobees so that it just deflects the heat out into the room?

  • CrimLawGeek
    CrimLawGeek Před měsícem

    Ecobee let’s you set an offset on the temperature to compensate for stuff like warm walls or heat sources close by.

  • Akotski1338
    Akotski1338 Před 2 měsíci

    Imagine having a server for your heating system. Talk about overkill

  • RangieNZ
    RangieNZ Před 2 měsíci +24

    You've just convinced me, that IOT and home assistant are a nightmare and should be avoided. :)

    • Post Rock Mixes
      Post Rock Mixes Před 15 dny

      Hobbyist open source software sucks and there might be a reason 99% of people around the world prefer real software instead? *surprised pikachu face*

  • Balázs Bakos
    Balázs Bakos Před měsícem

    Linus's kids be like: Daaaaaad, I'm freezing
    Linus: That's gonna be a great video (already thinking about the video's sponsor)

  • LetsTalkDigiChat
    LetsTalkDigiChat Před měsícem

    Linus if an old couple buys your house as is, they would be a deer in head lights 😂

  • Kyle White
    Kyle White Před 2 měsíci

    I’m curious as to what the benefit of having a setup like this verses my current setup with my iPhone and using HomeKit compatible devices would be?

  • Joel Ayoub
    Joel Ayoub Před měsícem

    Does Linus not realize they sell portable radiant heaters?

  • Pixel Shade
    Pixel Shade Před 2 měsíci +242

    Smart homes seem like a nightmare to me. I mean, good luck to the next house owner navigating and configuring this stuff. Especially if the server one day dies. 😅

    • ivailogeimara
      ivailogeimara Před 2 měsíci

      @attentionaddicts He doesn't have to sell the server. He just has to move the OS (or just the config) to some other device (like raspberry pie or some mini PC) and sell that with the house.

    • attentionaddicts
      attentionaddicts Před 2 měsíci +1

      @Carl Gunderson because there's no heating or lights without the server

    • Shoop83
      Shoop83 Před 2 měsíci +2

      @FD FD I've done design work on banks whose HVAC system can only be modified on the 20 year old laptop running some edition of DOS. If that laptop ever craps out, they're boned. It's kind of baffling how much the top brass refuses to invest in a company's physical infrastructure. "It works, what's the problem?"

    • Nathaniel Hellewell
      Nathaniel Hellewell Před 2 měsíci

      you mean when the server dies.

    • zack991
      zack991 Před 2 měsíci

      They are a mess, done commerial and residential smart homes, they are nightmare to get working and keep working.