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Killer Mike really don’t know how to not be funny! He just casually gives you history lessons while doing stand up. That man is goated 🙏🏾✊🏾
When u have the mic, be proud of what u say!
it's not that killer mike cannot be funny, he knows it's a time and place to be funny, and a time to get serious, and we as black people better start learning this !!!
He a damn fool. These killers who are rappers.
he had me rolling 😂
I love it this is what we need this show is amazing
I love killer Mike and agree with most of his talking points but we have to be real about the situation at hand. If someone is detailing a crime with location, name, get away cars etc the police and the feds have every right to take them of the streets. I love rap like everyone else but we should demand more from our rappers. The people that’s getting harmed still has family on this earth and the last thing they want to hear about is someone detailing how they did it in a song.
saying you did something doesn't get you arrested for it. its gotta match some other evidence ie I shot lil joker on 12th street last October, if no one was killed on 12th street , it doesn't matter.
I'm so glad Killer Mike said that in a lot of cases it was us as a community who encouraged policies like stop and frisk. If you came up in the 80s and 90s and had any kind of proximity to the hood you heard adults around you talking about that sort of thing and how cops needed to be harder on folks. People always want to act like that didn't happen in certain areas.
I believe there are literature and journals that touches on that, which starts back in the seventies, one book "Locking Up Our Own" talks about that.
I love Killer Mike and Tara on the show it gives a great balance. Tara is like law is law and Killer Mike is like only when it applies to a certain group of people! We have to be accountable no excuses but it should be applied across the board. Lyrics vs literature.
Tara brings legal facts. Killer mike brings great Rhetoric
alex jones just got a 1 billion dollar judgement from the parents of sandy hook, if I was a the relative of one of these rappers victims, i'd sue their record label and them, that's what they're really worried about , killer mike doesn't give a shit about rappers going to jail, he just doesn't want his overlords in the music industry to be held financially accountable
Best clip of this show so far. Educated guest, good debate/conversation, and CTG not reading jokes off a teleprompter
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Killer Mike is making a "but" argument where I'd just say "and". Two things can be true: there is a practice of using artistic expression in a case where there is evidence AND it's practiced unequally. Don't get distracted.
Killer Mike is saying "but" because she is giving ground he refuses to give up
@Hell you talm bout!? 🤦🏾♂️ Damn they need to make classical philosophy an elective in High School
That's the major problem with black Americans well now unfortunately America as a whole and that's nuanced conversation like you said two things can be true we use but too much in our conversation and that got me thinking I live in Miami so for the past 10 years I been cramping to learn Spanish they use pero = but minimally as for sino it's situational n American English we all the time but...but...but bbbbut
@Hell you talm bout!? give you an example, he was great father but a horrible husband....to this group he's amazing, to this group he's terrible
How can two things be true? Something either is or isn't...There is only one truth.
Didn’t know how much I needed this show! Well done CTG!
I can't believe we're trying to protect people that commit crimes and then tell on themselves. The easiest solution to this problem is to not rap about the crimes you commit. That's it. That's the answer. 😂
Lastly, if any artist of ANY genre admits to an ACTUAL crime backed up by evidence the police has then they deserve to go to jail.and thank you for making the conviction easier on the police. What we can't allow is this frenzy to arrest based off of a lyric that has no evidence to prove it even occurred. Freedom of speech is a double headed sword unfortunately.
@Idia Soliel it literally is adolescent behavior, because the kids committing these crimes have brains who haven’t even finished developing
It’s not the fact that we are trying to protect people telling on themselves, we are protecting everyone’s freedom of speech.
@EYE TRIPLE but our culture support the shit! 🧐
@Kimberlyn Roberts first amendment and committing a crime 2 different things
I dont agree with Tara politically but I’m 100% in solidarity with what she said. These rap lyrics are getting out of control. We are so much better than this
This is disappointing that Killer Mike has this take. He’s intentionally omitted that there’s direct evidence and selectively using matters from that YSL case to conflate black rappers self-snitching as solely entertainment when some may possibly have committed crimes. It’s convenient for him to omit that there are CIs and proffers out on that case. Anyone with sense knows that if the government believes there’s a potential credible threat to society or danger to their case, they won’t jeopardize that by granting bail. Cmon
So screw your constitutional rights?
@RJDaSandman saying you did something on a rap lyric doesn't prove anything, you can say you killed twenty people last night, if the police go look and no one got shot, you don't go to jail for killing 20 people, but if you go "yeah I shot lil tyrone over by his mama's house " which these fools are doing, and they go look and in fact have a murder of tyrone at his mama's house then yeah they're going to start looking at you and investigating you as a suspect and building evidence on you, you can walk into the police station tomorrow and say you killed someone but if it doesn't match any physical crime scenes, they aren't going to charge you with shit.
So you saying a nicca named “Killer” Mike is taking up for another nicca named Young “Thug”? Who woulda thought?
I think it was more to his point then that. I don't think he ever denied them of doing the crime he just said prove it some other way then my lyrics and until I'm found gulity they should be out of prison because he kept bringing up the other white ladie who talked about the crime she did and they wasnt allowed to use that against her.
Totally hypocrisy. They are in jail because of being terrorists to the community. And if they were out they probably murder witnesses.
I can always count on Killer Mike to give excellent dialogue.
What's so hard to understand that SOME (not all) of these rappers are really committing crimes!! There's multiple pieces of real EVIDENCE that ties SOME of them to crimes (recorded calls, cell phone location data, camera footage, witnesses, DM/texts) They would get indicted with or without the lyrics. The music/self snitching Is just the icing on the cake.
@bwaller690 ice on the cake whole goofys telling on them
@Money1322 you're point not proven they investigated Michael Jackson for 10yrs with nothing but ppl are dead bruh
So then why use the rap lyrics if they have all this evidence use that just like they did with the white woman
@lockout999 without rico the mafia would've never been taken down, a lot of people think RICO is in fact unconstitutional
@Money1322 how many rico cases have you put together, it takes AWHILE the dumbest amongst us I swear
Those guys aren’t in jail just because of their lyrics. I’m pretty sure there’s other evidence Used to prove the prosecution’s case. The lyrics almost likely one piece of a larger puzzle.
Ppl act like the lyrics are THE puzzle. That's just an addendum to the evidence they already have
The mental gymnastics you have to do to defend it let's you know it's not for mass consumption.
We gotta be accountable for our actions.... period. The content that's in our music matters, the frequency our music is tuned in matters.The days of "it's just entertainment", and "we're just trying to make a living" is over.Dr. Masaru Emoto has numerous videos where he reveals how thoughts, vibrations and words affect the molecular structure of water.Our bodies are made of 70% water. If you constantly listening to music with catchy hooks and violent lyrics, you are subconsciously programming your body. The same goes for movies, and books.We gotta do better.
That sounds like it makes sense but I don't think it's that simple. If that were the case from the 50s to the 90s with all the love songs from doo wop to r&b pouring across the airwaves how do you explain all the broken homes, failed relationships, divorces etc.??? By your logic all that positive love music shouldve translated into real life and majority of our population back then should've had 2 parent NON CHEATING loving homes. We all know that wasn't the case though. That whole music frequency controlling the masses blah blah blah stuff is bogus. It's not that simple.
Well stated. Unfortunately we have some black men, using their platforms acting as defenders of these detrimental lyrics, and others that just don’t get the easy to understand facts that you stated here ✌🏾
To the point Mike made about the author of the book that ended up killing her husband, I wanted to know how she described the killing in the book and how she actually killed him. If she wrote about poisoning him and making him suffer for months in the book but actually shot and killed him in real life you can't use her book against her, the only reason they are using their lyrics against them is because the evidence matches their lyrics in their songs.I feel like this conversation should have been about what we should do as a community to stop these so called rappers from poisoning the young generation with their "lyrics". Defending and making them look like victims by bringing up first amendment rights and saying this could be you is a lot of BS.
Killer Mike doing what he does with a mic & camera. That work. 💪🏾
It’s self snitching if your lyrics can be tied to an actual crime.
Tara made the best argument. You have a right to free speech, you can say whatever you want, but we don’t have to encourage people to pass off ignorant messages as “the culture.” Plain and simple there’s other ways to create art.
That debate was really good, I could understand where she was coming from but Mike just has too many examples and evidence to show how our rights are being violated.
the reason I love 90s hip hop is bc theyalso spoke about the consequences of the street life. The music was well rounded
@kungfu_kenny they do..artist like JID Deaunte Hitchcock, Cordae, Earth Gang, Rapsody, Tobe Nwigwe, Ransom, coast contra, even YG...They just are not as visible for the masses.
The great rappers of this generation do the same thing. Kendrick and J. Cole are shining examples.
Killer Mike needs to be careful what he defends. Actions have consequences, even in written form. Lyrics, articles, letters, text messages, etc. can be evidence of someone's criminal behavior if proven as such. It is exhausting hearing people using the 1st amendment to defend their foolishness. Ole school wisdom: Just because you can say something doesn't always mean you should!!!! I think he's wrong on this issue.
He explains how his momma taught him not to snitch while snitching on his momma 😂
tbf....its already public info
#sigh. It is not a constitutional right to commit a crime and speak about it publicly. Please have someone who understands the constitution on when Killer Mike is on. Freedom of Speech has nothing to do with being arrested because you publicly confessed to a crime. "Don't Snitch" is a HORRIBLE thing that we enforce in the black community and it allows children to stay molested.
these people's family these rappers rap about murdering should start suing their record labels, I bet you'll see positive rap lyrics in a month if that starts happening
We really need to stop. You can not rap about actual crimes and the cry when you get arrested. You can not kill someone the cry snitch when someone who saw you says something. We have to stop protecting the criminals and hold them accountable for what they are doing
@Tiffany Smith you can say whatever you want, its probably not a good idea to say you did a crime that then the police can go find you actually did through evidence.
That has nothing to do with freedom of speech.
I understand your prospective. But Freedom of speech . . . I don't listen to those artist and agree with much in that genre but we are in America . . .
Big facts bruh
Once again for the people in the back anything you say can and will be used against you in the court of law been that way forever
@Kimberlyn Roberts no it doesn't, you are ignorant of the law.
That's talking to the police. Rap lyrics fall under the 1st amendment.
yeah if matches an actual murder, yeah, and they have other evidence, its not like you can just confess any crime and the police "are like ok, let's arrest him for this murder" it has to match the physical evidence etc. police typically look for details only the person who did the crime would know, there have been countless crazy people confessing to stuff since the beginning of time.
I could listen to Killer Mike all day! Endless gems!
"Rap Snitches, tellin' all they business/Sittin in the courtroom and be they own star witness/Do you see the perpetrator?/ Yea I'm right here!/ Fuck around and get the whole label sent up for years"
This is such an amazing show. I gotta go get this on Paramount Plus! Great job 👏
Not really much else or that at tho.
It’s so uncomfortable when someone is trying to talk, but everyone keeps ignoring and talking over them.
This was an awesome segment to watch! Thank you!! And I forgot to add Charlemagne, your skin is flawless. 😉
Law enforcement can and should use rap lyrics as "actionable intelligence" ie basis for further investigation because freedom of speech and artists expression has its limits and or consequences!
Killer Mike is wrong af. If you say in your song “I killed XYZ with certain gun and certain area”, and the body is where you said it was, bullet shells match the gun you spoke of and you even named the person, your suspect number 1. You can’t have it both ways. Other dude was right, the first amendment protects you from going to jail but it doesn’t protect you from being held accountable, if your lyrics matches the description of the crime. Gavin Newsom is pandering to win his seat again as mayor so he’s turning California into a lawless state where rappers get killed and the killers are set free the next day.
Killer Mike is a different breed!
@Tyr if you ask me just a different breed of coon…fukhim too✌🏾
Breed of what?
@DelawareYakkin Huh? What?
@Skacy Mae ooohh your cool mad cause I dont respect a stupid rapper trying to sound smart talking about black excellence sometimes then condoning nonsense at other times grow up
I wrote my last comment before I wrote #TaraSetmayer. Thank you for her on this panel.
They always forget about the victims behind the lyrics.
They don't care about them
Lyrics didn’t make them victims, the crimes did
I wonder how they will feel if the victim is their relative and some guy is talking about the crime. The police leave out critical details about a crime and whoever is STUPID enough to rap about those details should definitely be brought up on charges
killer mike is awesome listening to his ideas and thought process is awesome
Stop with the BS excuses for murder lyrics . We know that music and moods go together… one influences the other. This has obviously led to negative actions. It’s at a crises level bruh, but here we are talking about constitutional rights.? Btw, not all speech is protected, however the system will definitely support your right to make all the Murder lyrics you want, that is until it really reaches their community!
what music do you think Hitler was listening to lol boy y'all dumb as hell violence has always existed IN ABUNDANCE
Killer Mike is 1 of the voices that needs to be in the mainstream ALWAYS. As a white guy who grew up w a very multicultural community, hearing voices from people who were raised in more racially isolated communities is ALWAYS important
Killer mike has a point but he is also wrong. These rappers are actually doing the crimes.
True. But what he also says is that their rap lyrics cannot be used to convict them.
I have heard a lot of whi music talk about all the drugs they did and even sold. where are their indictments.
Killer Mike is speaking irresponsibly. Dangerous immoral criminals with no regard for community agitated for more strict crime laws based on their recklessness. And no-snitching only benefits those same criminals. No one is 'working it out' for the better. While waiting for that to happen, mayhem continues.
Exactly he's another articulate bullshit artist.
wow...killer mike is incredibly effective. Great communicator
The like is for Mike bringing history, clarity, and class/power analysis, to the issue.
We have to stand up for our constitutional rights
I'm glad y'all uploaded the longer version
Thanks for watching!
Mike is right. It about tequity. The law is made up of precedents and it really doesn't matter if they did the crime or not. That is not the point. It is supposed to be administered the same across the broad. Its supposed to be blind. Arts forms should be out of bounds. This is how the law has been used against minorities forever. I would rather a guilty person go free than put someone in jail for nonsense. The law shouldnt be administered using feelings or fear.
Rap lyrics go on trial when there is real, "non-rap lyric" evidence that proves those lyrics are in fact a confessional statement.
Cali did a thing for the historically violent Cartel music segment. These bands are performing music glorifying the business business aspect of an organization for profit, may include some exceptional activities. Sometimes or all the time, these musicians meet their end by the group they sang for. So I have been told about these unique musicians and their dedication to their craft.
Killer Mike holding that grin when she said "I don't know what's going on today" wanting to say I actively make lyrical music today. Lol
Gotta go with killer Mike on this 1
Y’all tripping!!! We need to stop these crazy murders and acts on the streets. If putting lyrics on trail to stop this generation of rappers then so be it because they ain’t going to listen to rappers that don’t make the money they are making especially when they ain’t listening to their parents. Let the judge babysit them all
None of them made any sense until Tara stated her points. The rest of them were talking straight foolishness. The 1st Amendment comes with consequences. And it SHOULD be that way.
@Tone You should change your name to Ha Ha Ha. That way, when you try to be funny you’ll have at least one laugh.
Change ur name to Ho Ho Ho cause that's what you sound like
I love Killer Mike 😂🤣😂
Lawwwd I love me some Killer Mike!! 👏😊💯
I have to disagree with Killer Mike on this. You do have freedom of speech, but you don't have the right to confess to crimes regardless if it's in the form of art or not. That woman's article was a satirical guide on how to kill your husband at worst not a confession to a actual crime. There's a difference. Now if you are making up lyrics that's different, but actually mentioning specifics of real crimes should be allowed to be used in court. I don't think they should be allowed to use lyrics that were written before the actual crimes happened though. That falls under entrapment.🤔
That lady is right!! Lyrics and responsibility!
I love Killer Mike. But I have to completely disagree with him here. We can not allow these dudes to commit actual crimes but then go out here and spit a hot 16 about it and say those words should not be used against them. This isnt about snitching. And this is not about a constitutional right.
Ahhh love me some killer Mike on a panel, dude will stand by his shit
Good conversation is all I can say.
i dont wanna see killer mike on tv, he needs to be somewhere mailing my greenwood bank card, smh 1 year and i still aint got it
Shout-out killer mike. & I'm glad Charlemagne is on Comedy Central didn't know I needed this show
I like a lot of what Mike says about keeping with the constitution. I think Mike is one of the biggest champions for African Americans in todays society. I with he would approach the situation with Young thug and them with a little more of a common sense approach. Sure, you found the story about the white lady that wrote the article in the paper which is contradictory to what young thug and them are experiencing, but they did damage( allegedly) to the community that he so actively tried to champion. I get it. You from Atlanta too and they are legit gangsters but this is when the rubber meets the road. It’s when it’s difficult that we do the right thing. Much love.
Love Killer Mike!! 👏🏾🙌🏾
Great discussion and panel
So the ppl that was the cause of murder and crime doubling in the city should be released. SMH
Mike giving anecdotal responses excusing irresponsible behavior.
@Tone So we agree... 😂
Awww u want people to think ur smart cause u were able to articulate what you observed Mike doing 🤣😂
I could listen to Killer Mike speak all day. And Yes I remember the song Stagger Lee, used to dance to it in Jr. High school.
If Killer Mike's on your show, he becomes the host. Ol' girl from Jersey trying to get Latifah comparisons.
She has some similarity ..
great debate, really enjoyed it
you'd love next week's episode
That sister makes too much sense for this show.
You guys wild. Too funny!!
She's the same type of people who was all gung ho in 90s with that "tough on crime" bill then cry about it 30yrs later how it negatively affected the Black communities while blaming the whyte man as if they didn't ask for this. People never learn smh
I love Killer Mike, but I don't think anyone is taking away anyone's 1st Amendment rights... just using it against them if they choose to tell on themselves in a song.
Killer Mike lost me on this one. I agree more with Tara. I understand what Mike is saying but he's not acknowledging what Tara said at all. If I rap about a crime and give specific details about said crime that is being openly investigated, if I am stupid enough to do that then they have every right to use it against me. Not one crime Jay-Z talked about has ever been verified for all we know it could all be fiction same goes with Killer Mike. So I feel every man does have freedom of speech and freedom of expression through art but one also has to be held accountable for those words if in fact they are found to be factual
I wrote this song a long time agoA real long time ago, feel me!I wrote this song a long time agoIt was the dopest song I ever wrote... in '94
Underrated comment lol
lyrics should not be used unless they have a witness confirming the validity of each line
Killer Mike cutting shorty off cause she making valid points
Mike took this show over lol
Killer Mike is the realest ✊🏾❤️✊🏾
I agree with putting a label. Warming may contain harmful language. Discretion is advice. Content in this music video is not based on a true story. This way the children know it’s not real. Need to look after our young kings man.We got to do it because no one else will do it. And we have to stop supporting music that glamorizes crime and murder. Crime and murder should not be highlighted if we have a better world where your young kings don’t kill each other. Enough is enough.
Just throwing in out there: Maybe it's the Constitution that needs, how do I put it, an amendment?
Imagine applauding criminals getting away from the crimes they've committed that affects countless people. I swear I hate Charlamagne.
We’re congratulating Newsom on making it harder to crack down on gang violence when we just lost another rapper to what class? That’s right, gang violence. FOH. We’re lost.
Agree its sad. Our ppl are lost
Mike is such an eloquent speaker and I am proud he represents us Black Americans !!
I been saying this for the longest you can say whatever you say but just be prepared for the consequences people dont want consequences for anything not how life works
Mike is trying to minimize what she is saying but he is contributing to the problem in this instance. He is trying to walk on 2 sides of a fence. Either you are for the community or against in regards to having progress
The lady wasn’t listened to. Why have her there if she doesn’t get heard?
Killer Mike is in a conflict - talking about helping people and defending the crazy shit said in rap music - the woman is making sense
CTG needs Charleston White on this show!!
Even freedom of speech has limitations...
I agree with killer mike 💯💯
"Listeners discretion is advised"
SMH, they act like the Feds just 🎶 to the songs and saying o get em he said he murder someone. Clearly they have been doing some investigating on these rappers. Especially this new Generation, so no they not just listening to a song and building the case off a song. U have to have proof and if these rappers are putting details of criminal active that they or a crew member did in a song and the lyrics match the crimes, then hell yea locked they ass up
why don't we hold other communities to the same standard?
👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾 great episode ✊🏽✊🏽✊🏽
Thanks for tuning in
first off I never knew km was this 🤣🤣🤣 "I killed a Mexican that was a Honduran"
Love to these these panel of intellects.