Stable leadership is the secret behind Mercedes & Redbull's success, I was hoping Mattia would be Ferrari's. Nothing has been like Jean Todt's 1993-2007 run with the team
The car was competitive whole season esspecially in the qualifying sessions, okay there was way too much technical and strategic issues but to be honest the Ferrari drivers where also way behind in setting consistent race pace than Red Bull and merc drivers. I believe if Lewis or even Fernando was behind the steer of this Ferrari things could be different. Esspecially Carlos should come much stronger for the next season.
Somehow this seems an excessive move given the progress they have made with the car. A top 2 fastest car seems like a victory to me, albeit with some strategic mishaps. Not sure this move will be prosperous for the team.
Best thing RedBull can do is hire him as an engineer for Alpha Tauri. He may not have been the greatest teamboss but he seriously knows his technical stuff. I think he'd make an excellent chief designer or such.
@TheBrass18 I don't think there is place at RedBull, unless it's at RedBull Power Trains, which would be awesome as well. Also I was thinking he may not want to move to Milton Keynes, and prefers to stay close to where he lives. Alpha Tauri is in Faenza, Italy.
He will be a hot property that's for sure. However, he won't be able to work immediately at another F1 team. He will need to take a sabbatical, so hopefully we will see him back in 2024.
Binotto is more ambitious than it looks, he was the one pushing to get promoted to TP and would have never accepted a “step down” into a technical role. It’s unfortunate, because I’m sure he’s a great technical guy and the shape F1-75 was earlier in the season shows it, but I could not see a different scenario. What’s alarming now is that there seems to be no clear Plan to replace him, with the hottest candidates apparently having refused to join SF.. not a successful story so far
Wait you seriously didn't know? They have a wheel of fortune style printout on a wall and a team of chimpanzees takes turns each race to fling a turd at it. The least shit stained slot is the one they pick that weekend.
With or without him the outcome would be the same. And if I was Leclerc (after he had 43 points lead after Melbourne), I would race deliberately behind Max in the next races. This would mean I would still be ahead by 1 point after Canadian GP and not 49 behind like it happened!
It's a tough call but I'm not convinced Sacking Binotto was the way to go. Hiring and making responsible a strong race strategist and allowing Binotto to focus on the larger, picture and future of the team whilst retaining his effective oversight of the engineering side I believe would have been the optimum outcome.
I don't know that Binotto has the actual clout to fire the incompetent people within the team. 'Protection' is paramount in Ferrari culture, and you can get away with anything so long as you have the support of one or two corporate big-shots.
@fer262 Lol, Leclerc only did that in Brazil, you're acting like it's Leclerc's fault and not the strategy team's. How many times did the strategy team screw Leclerc and Sainz? They got P2 thanks to their drivers being good, they shouldn't even be fighting Mercedes for P2. Why would they fire Leclerc? The guy fought to P2 in drivers against a stronger car and is clearly their faster driver. What are you even talking about blaming Leclerc when he is the one who gave his all to a team who didn't have a winning mentality. All the mistakes were meant to be done this season? Are you serious? Did we watch the same season? Do I have to count how many times Ferrari screwed their drivers over? Monaco with the double pit (come in come in, no no no stay out stay out), and so on? Seriously?
@Syntheo Valdy the issue is Leclerc crying like a baby in the team radio forcing Ferrari to take risky strategies. The team got P2, they didn’t have a car to be P1. And even then, you shouldn’t hate on him for not firing everyone including Leclerc. Ferrari did well, all the mistakes were meant to be done this season, when they didn’t have a chance to win. But tifoshit are the worst fandom in the sport, so they got overhyped and started hating. They are the cancer of this sport.
The way Binotto guided the team out of the engine controversy and subsequent drop in performance always impressed me. At the time he explained their plan to improve and actually exceeded this plan. This year they fielded a car that bettered the Mercedes and achieved many pole positions. Comparatively, that was a great result for the team. I would have been keen to see what they could have achieved over the next two years under Binotto's calm leadership.
I think the main reason his job was threatened is he did not reform the strategy department which seemed to get progressively worse and was a huge oversight which mostly nullified all of the technical advancements and potential. However, I believe he should have stayed next year and given a chance to address this.
It seems while most would love to have the prancing horse on their race shirt, few can handle the politics. From personal experience a culture of fear will suck the life out of anyone and kills innovation. Finally I took from the video that CL's "people" were not that supportive of him remaining. Crazy a driver with as many WDC as well...me...thinks they should have any input in the matter. There is a very good possibility LeClerc will retire without ever winning a title, and will be forgotten as soon as he is gone.
Had to be done. Leadership was incredibly unprofessional. Putting blame on the drivers rightly so depending on the situation but never on the team when it was called for. For the first half of the season they had the best car but team and driver errors cost them, then second half of the year they hadn’t developed the car as much as others, plus max had fully honed in and was making minimal mistakes as opposed to everyone else. Charles scored the second most points over the last 12 races showing he still had pace, due to his own mistakes but Ferrari more often being the ones letting him down he was out scored by max by almost 100 points during that span. Can’t blame RB18 being dominant for that as both Charles and George outscored checo over last 12 races.
I really think the biggest problem Binotto had this year was that he couldn't seem to admit when mistakes we're made. I agree there should not be a fear culture but you need to be able to address problems so you can find a solution.
@Pedro Paiva I think the main reason his job was threatened is he did not reform the strategy department which seemed to get progressively worse and was a huge oversight which mostly nullified all of the technical advancements and potential.
His public persona speaking in English was very different from his internal actions. He was very strict and demanding, but, having raised through the ranks in the team, believed that people should be given the opportunity to review what went wrong and what could’ve been done differently. Publicly, he was always showing support to his team and his people. This was told to me by someone who worked at Ferrari last season (2021). I’m not saying he’s perfect and did everything right, though.
It proved that Binotto had not addressed the problems when Leclerc rolled down pitlane at Brazil on Inters. That proved that the previous 20 races had been completely ignored and Ferrari refused to learn anything. That's the moment he lost his job.
I think people do underrate him despite what happens on track, like think of it only 2 years ago were they 6th, then last year he managed to get third while everyone said it was near impossible cause of 2020 and this year, while they couldn’t maintain it, they had a real battle for the championship until red bull started taking them by storm, so I’m not sure if this is the best call but generally the whole of Ferrari needs to get better
Such a mess. Threatening to waste Leclerc's massive talent. Ferrari c'mon! Don't think this change will improve things, but I hope things turn around for the team soon..
@James Mclaren were effectively the Mercedes works team when they achieved everything, ditto back in the Honda days with Senna/Prost. Mclaren has every reason to become a works team again if they want to win again and not become Williams.
Okay I got the perfect D2S story arc, Binotto goes to McLaren and gives Ferrari the ultimate sign of flattery which leads to a clean sweep for McLaren. They take both Constructors and Drivers Championship and then we get another$100,000,000 scandal. That would be quite the show right there.
Only the naive could believe he left voluntarily . Ferrari mgmt was gracious in allowing him to leave gracefully Binotto is a classic Peter Principle case he was great as engine head but was woefully inept at TP
Interesting power dynamic in Ferrari siding with there star driver, at least there are sensible board members seeing Leclerc's value instead of highlighting his one major mistake and ignoring the team's multiple failings Also it's amazing that Christian Horner was the youngest team principal at his appointment and is the longest serving team principal for a single team and has seen 5 Ferrari team principals come and go, I can imagine a smug face on him going "who's the kid now" to his critics back then
Char will come to regret his demand binotto be removed. I hope next team principal will let them race. If not, Carlos should go to Red Bull with Max. Max and Carlos only drivers with zero points on their license. Neither are crybabies. They just want to race.
Binotto muscled his way in, and I still believe he was partly responsible for Vettel not winning the title. He expected the engine to give Ferrari a huge advantage but the FIA caught him. 2022 saw how he was hesitant to change, at the cost of repeated errors. It is likely that he lost support of Leclerc, and there was pressure on him making changes he did not want to.
@TassieLorenzo He gave them short-term this year. He took a car that had been nowhere for 2 years and won races with it and Leclerc finish second in the driver's championship and they finished in second ahead of Mercedes in the Constructors Championship. He completely changed the toxic Blame Game culture at Ferrari. Now everyone is going to be looking over their shoulder again.
Ferrari were going to fire Jean Todt in 1996! Just check the articles from the time. That would been a good idea (not). The upper management (board) seems to focus on the short-term too much.
I'm not a Ferrari fan by any means (far from it actually) but Binotto was a breath of fresh air for the F1 team. They were always famous for secrecy and being tight lipped but under his management the team was more open and relatable I think.
1. I don't think that he was the reason for the Ferrari problems 2. I don't think he resigned volunteerly 3. A new Team Principal will not be the solution. But I think they will take one from inside of Ferrari, even though I would like to see Vettel xD
I’m not sure if the tifosi would be pleased/satisfied with Seb returning so soon especially if he is marketed as a new team principal who will bring both/either championship to Italy As he failed to do so as a driver and his teammate was the no2 driver to him but to the Tifosi he was and always will be the legend in their eyes as he is the last driver who has delivered it
First. This is why the race is successful. Speed and quality of production. Second. I never understood why Ferrari were so awful under binotto. He's an engine guy in a chassis era. Makes some sense now if not all of it
i think binotto being an engineer is one of the reasons why things went wrong, this is just speculation but i’d imagine he made a lot of excuses for the engineering department despite the poor reliability instead of actually looking into the problem
The culture of the team, is undermining it's success. So, they'll have to change the culture to change the team. "Reverted to type.." means, reverted to an archaic way of running things.
Looking at all the fumbling from Ferrari in the past five years, I cannot refrain from thinking about Niki Lauda's expression to describe the fumbling from the 1970s, and it was "Spaghetti Tactics".
The issues were more frequent than not in the team. Too many wrong calls cost them positions and points. The result had to be a change at the top. Fresh outlook is required with a new approach of how the team should be run and how strategic decision mid race should be made. Am I sad to see him go? Yes, but I won't miss the indecision that plagued the team this year. It cost them races, pure and simple.
@Purwanti Allan I don't know his history well enough to comment before this season, but the way the team was run and manage this year was far from ideal. If that's because of his decision making and leadership, then I wholeheartedly agree with you. They may be other factors of course.
@Nick Pressas consider the fact that while Ferrari has shuffled through 4 team principals, Inaki Rueda managed to keep his position and even get a promotion.
@Nick Pressas Agree with the no self critique outlook, that’s not healthy. I seriously believe that Ferrari still has favour based culture where say Rueda is staying regardless what Binotto thinks, because it’s about the higher ups and who they place in what position. True italian mafioso style.
@Allen Vrabac yes but people in the team especially the strategists made so many errors yet he did nothing about it as far as we know, he even refused to acknowledge mistakes made by the team. He may not be directly responsible for the strategic mistakes but how do you not get rid of Rueda after so many blunders, he refused to take action which is why he’s gone. I’ve never seen someone fail so badly at their job and not lose their job than Rueda. I had hoped he’d stay as a engineer and that he would not leave only get stripped of his TP role.
Binotto had to fix the mess he was given with Ferrari, with the illegal engine and such. This year was promising and it was a shame they lost their grasp on Red Bull, Binotto helped make strides. But obviously they couldn’t win.
Such a huge shame. The most promising and inspirational principal they have had in years - he came SO close to acheiving success - and within the rules.
Really, I don't think so, Ferrari fought for world titles in 2017/18, Binotto took over as team principal and the team went backwards in a big big way, only at the start of this year we're they competitive again.
Yes, agreed. Getting rid of someone who created the second best car is the easy bit. Finding someone better is impossible - given that Newey doesn't need more money and likes living in England.
Binotto's place of expertise has always been in the engine plant, not the pit strategy wall. The number of tactical blunders and the fact that he refused to own up to them clearly frustrated the drivers, most notably Carlos Sainz Jr., Who overruled the pit wall on more than one occasion this year.
Right, that's the way to win, throw out the expert because experience doesn't matter. As if Ferrari didn't win 2nd in the constructors and have other teams with vast sums of money to compete against.
Binotto should had been fired last year. to not have a replacement showed how incompetent Ferrari has been. Good riddance the way he got this job was because he forced his way because of his ambition.
RocketPoweredMohawk said it well 'as long as Ferrari are Italian they won't be successful. Last time Ferrari were successful, they were run by a Frenchman, an English man and their strategy was run by a man called Nigel from Kent '
It's amazing. The Race's video addressing the rumors of Binotto's upcoming sacking was one of the few times that I'd heard this channel give him a cautious vote of confidence, so of course he was out in a week or so.
Binotto is very good as engineer chief, not as team chief! The problems Ferrari faced were poor dev and so too many strategy failures (Lec lost at least 5 races because completely wrong strategy). And here should Rueda leave as well! Completely, not allowing him to stay in the team.
I think he should have left when he said that the team was NOT competing for the championship at the begin of the season. Imagine the message that sends to staff, fans and the drivers. The Race were spot on when they said that Merc and Red Bull won’t offer an opportunity to Ferrari to win, like they did this year.
If Ferrari wins next season, half of the credit should be given to Binotto as he was vital in the last 4 years bringing up Ferrari from the ground up again.
@Sharles Leglerg Either you just started watching F1, or you have serious problems with your long-term memory. When you fresh up your knowledge, then we can continue this converstaion - until then, it's a total waste of time
@Sharles Leglerg He was the very reason the were in P6 a few years back to begin with when they built an illegal engine and cheated in the second half of the 2019 season.
In over seventy years of racing, Ferrari has only had two team principals last more then a few years and only ONE team principal who wasn't Italian, Jean Todt. It almost seems like the teams dedication to their Italian heritage has had more of a negative impact or it's just an absolutely massive coincidence that their most successful era in the sport came about when they were being led by a Frenchman, having their cars designed by a Brit and driven by a German lol.
All Juventus board resigned almost at the same time as Binotto. Maybe there will be a major restructuring all across Exor (Ferrari & Juventus major shareholder)
I don’t think he’s the one should be quitting. Changing the top guy only make the team more unstable, even he may not be the best guy in the role. They just need a little bit more in every aspect, not a complete rebuild. But if they need change, maybe someone not Italian to be in charge could do them good.
The system you just said they left to be more consistent is a total contradiction. Arrivabene had them more competitive than ever with 2 "near misses" and they fired him and got worse as a result. Keeping him on would have been akin to being more "patient". Binotto is and always was an engineer, he was never team manager material and I was never a fan of his. For a guy that's an engine guy also his engines are notoriously unreliable as well. It was time for a change.
You hear it time and again, explicitly or otherwise, from non-Italians that have exited Ferrari... "Ferrari = Chaos" (Maybe what we know as 'chaos' in the English language translates to 'passion' in Italian?) This just makes what Ross Brawn was able to accomplish during his tenure all the more impressive.
It's unfortunate he's moving on. It's the strategists who decide when to pit, what tires to use etc. But at the end of the day the buck stops with the Principal. And I agree Merc is looking like a serious threat for next year. Ferrari can't afford to make so many mistakes.
thought he’d get one more year. Or maybe move back to a tech role. Just too many team related issues this year and that has to fall on the man at the top. I will say if Ferrari’s engine strategy works out over the next few years, Mattia will get his flowers from me lol. That’s why I thought he’d probably get one more season.
Oh how Ferrari must yearn to have the Todd and Brawn days back again. In the late 90’s they had a fundamentally slower car than the mclaren of Hakinnen and coulthard but we’re very very close to championships through ruthlessly excellent teamwork and strategy execution.
There are rumours that Binotto already has 4 job offers with at least 1 at a top team. Do we know who these teams are and if they're roles as the team principle or a step back into being head of the technical department?
They need to get rid of the strategy guy as well. I think and English or German needs to be in charge now. Binotto's only failure was being too nice I think, if he had managed the mistakes properly even this season might have gone differently.
Because he had a scapegoat in Renault, whose engines weren't up to the task. Otherwise, if other teams were running away with wins while using Renault engines, he would have been gone after winning 4 straight with Vettel 10-13 and then stinking up the track for the next few years.
I reckon they will do a straight swap binnoto for versuer I don't see him being ousted entirely as he is still a good team principal to a degree with loads of expirence and maybe with a lesser pressure team like alfa romeo he might make it work
CTO role requirements are so different from Team Principal requirements... it is similar in other corporations. Highly-skilled people in one area of a business are not always good leaders, let alone CEO. Binotto should not have been named Principal in the first place. I really hope Ferrari finds its way back to a successful, inspiring team.
Binotto’s demise started when he said that Ferrari wasn’t fighting for the championship all of a sudden. Ferrari doesn’t like that kind of talk. I hope that Audi offers Vasseuer a better deal so he stays at Sauber. Perhaps in another 4 years Leclerc could go there after being with Ferrari for possibly 7(?) years. It would be interesting to see who Ferrari could come up with other than FV.
There are 2 reasons why Binnotto left Ferrari: 1) He failed to establish driver hierarchy which forced the team drivers and their teams to drive against each other instead of against their rivals. This has caused HUGE internal strife. On one side, Leclercs team was adamant that Leclerc is the faster driver and that the car development and strategies should move forward in his favor. On the other side, Sainz team was pressuring to give more time to Sainz to get accustomed to the car and for the car development to go in his favor because he has more experience in F1 car development. Binotto failed to take the decision to back Leclerc up when he was leading the championship and Sainz was way behind. And as the season went on he kept assuring people that when the time comes he will appoint a No1 driver but he never did right up to the very end. This shows a lack of determination to lead the team which has caused many problems between his 2 drivers and their teams. Problems which could have been solved easily if he would simply give the orders that were needed. 2) The second reason was his inability to actually solved organizational problems especially about his strategy team and the communications between the 2 driver teams. First of all, the strategy team was, to the lack of better word, completely inadequate to fulfill their duties. Race after race, the team continued to always make the wrong decisions and even made some decisions that were so wrong, that they became the laughing stock of the paddock. And even when the strategy team somehow managed to take good decisions, the rivalry between the 2 drivers, the bad communication between the teams and the lack of leadership from Binotto, caused the strategies of the 2 drivers to be conflicting instead of part of a larger strategy for the good of the team. Binnoto failed to take those actions that could have made the strategy team better by either removing members of it or bringing in new blood and also failed to take the lead and upon him to prioritize a driver, even at race by race , which cause conflicting strategies and ultimately bad results for the team both in points and in the relationship between them. So you see, Binotto is a great engineer but he lack leadership. That's the problem here.
Fair enough, but these are all relatively minor points and not worth sacking the TP over. For whatever reason, Santander and Sainz Jr & Sr have a lot of political power, so the car did indeed get developed to more understeer. Regardless, the team has shown steady improvement.
The tradition in Ferrari is that Bosses get their own drivers. Like Todt got Michael and Kimi, Stefano got Alonso, Arrivebene got Seb (actually it was Mitias or something) and Kimi, Binotto got Lerclerc and Sainz. Now, it'd be interesting to see who the new boss with bring. The tradition is to change the previous boss driver line up in Ferrari.
they made such good progress, especially with the mentioned stabillity in the team. now their gonna fall back to third next year at least, if merc doesn't drop the ball again.
Personally for me was when they had a car to win the championship & Binotto's attitude was not to fight for it, that right there should've told you everything you needed to know about how the team was being managed. As a team principal being on pace with Redbull & ahead of Mercedes, I would absolutely be fighting for the championship full force. I would've started moving pieces as soon as the team started making mistakes. I would put absolute pressure for the drivers to perfom every weekend. Just my take. They were weak to begin with, mechanical they were on top, attitude was in the mud.
I love this channels take on the binotto situation, the Tifosi, shareholders of Ferrari and all of F1 have been begging for him to be removed for 2 years. The Race waxes idyllic and lyrical about the impacts of the revolving door in Maranello, and shows that they misunderstand that the Scuderia is a business. Binotto should have been let go before VET left Ferrari as he mismanaged car development and race weekend performance.
Mattia's departure from Ferarri would lead to more problems than solving it. Mattia's overlooking the development of 2023's package. His ability to come up with engines that can challenge the top teams in teams in terms of power. And the worst case scenario with this Ferrari's series of fuckery is that he landed a job with teams like Merc that would welcome him with open arms.
You'd have to wonder why Elkan is seen as immune from blame, he's never come across very well in anything I've ever seen about him and surely if the jewel in the crown of the company is failing then he has to pick up some of the slack, just like Binotto has for failings that were ultimately not his alone.
This is the smallest surprise of the whole season. It’s so Ferrari to have the “problem” martyr themselves for the good of the team. Then no one else has to take responsibility for the obvious TEAM failure. I highly doubt that they will maximize potential without a heavy hand like Enzo provided.
@Elian Iorio Farrell Lmao. As if Ferrari's failures were caused by Vettel. Ferrari's strategy team is why Vettel never got a title with them, just like how Leclerc will never have one unless they shake up the strategy department
I probably would have given him another year. From the engine debacle thru the 2022 season there was steady improvement. But it was fairly obvious there was tension between him and Leclerc. Once that happened and it never seemed to really be resolved, the writing was on the wall for Mattia.
It was pretty obvious Ferrari knew things couldn’t carry on like this. Since Mattia was TP, he was responsible for the mistakes that were made even if he wasn’t directly involved in it.
It's been a meme in an F1 group I was a member of since 1998, which is now called f1ngers, that a denial is always a precursor for the confirmation in F1... 😆 Jokes aside... this is not terribly unexpected, as there may have been some pressure to get him out after this season, no matter the causes of the mistakes and blunders and mechanical issues in the team.
Binotto arguably is out because he outperformed expectations against the planned progression early in the season. Once the title seemed achievable, it was no longer enough to “just” be challenging MB for 2nd.
7:10 this is what Tifosi and Ferrari need to listen. Under Jean Todt, Ross Brawn and Schumi, Ferrari doesn't straight getting the championship even with competitive/fastest car. They need to wait til 2000 for their championship streak. Anyway, make Binotto out of the Ferrari imo is bad idea. Imo, either replace the strategist or move him to engineering department
its odd really. in the same year that Ferrari stepped up compared to last season, Mercedes took a rare dip in form, yet in the media and on social media Ferrari is the laughing stock. This is a study in how public opinion is strongly misguided by the media.
Can't say I'm suprised, think it's been a long time coming given they've screwed up Leclerc's championship campaign to it's only fair Mattia Binotto should go.
My 2¢, it kind of goes back to Areto Benes... But even then there was a sense that the culture of fear was pushed by something deeper than him If so Binoto's was only a replacement to cover-up a deeper problem. This is where I am at with Binottos he had to go but not for the right reasons. On the flip side he had Leclerc team, he no doubts want to win titles and time is going by age wise and time is going by contract wise 2025 is not that far. The Long Term solution Ferrari appears to need is not a concern for the drivers. If Binottos was trying to play the long game my bet would be that the next boss will play the (very) short game. That to me seems like gambling instead of planning. Never quite liked Binotto as a boss, wish he could have stayed within the family.
He's not to blame for Ferrari short comings. He didn't make the parts by hand so he can't be blamed for engine failures. His only failure I can see is not firing the strategist. Ferrari acts like they will just hire a new guy and win championships. Even though every other team proves long term small gains win you championships eventually. Ferrari had ONE good run in recent history with Schumacher. And that's it.
Mercedes and Red Bull, who have both done "quite well" over the last 12 years have had their leadership teams remain quite stable. Ferrari have changed their leadership as often as they have changed their race strategy. Cause, or effect?
I get what you’re saying, almost like Watford and Chelsea in football, but Ferrari have been the closest competition to Mercedes’ in those years up until 2019 really, binotto is not a people manager, he’s very technical and knowledgable which is why I wish we keep him in the engine department or some engineering role. Binotto just didn’t have what it takes to make key decisions about the team personnel
Ferrari's race day decisions were mostly disastrous, really hampering it's chances to win. He needed to go, Ferrari needs much more discipline as a team if they want to win. Proven by their bad pit stops, poor race strategy, too slow decision making, and on, and on.....
The problem with Ferrari is their utter inability to admit their mistakes and the complete detachment from reality they show sometimes. When Binotto said something along the lines of "the objective wasn't to win the championship but rather to be competitive" after throwing away some wins, I completely lost it. It makes no sense
And there goes the 2023 title challenge. They needed stability atleast till 2026 gain trust build on learnings through the season. Ironing out all the wrinkles in a large organization like an F1 team takes time and alot of work. One change won't fix things.
Perhaps Binotto's failing is that he didn't admit any weakness on the team's part, even when it was blatantly obvious that there was. Either he did see it, but he refused to admit, thus alienating driver and fans, or he didn't see it really, which is a fatal flaw and he got to go (you can't improve on what you don't think you do wrong).
Ferrari needs a team principal from outside Italy and most of all to fire the entire pitwall if they want to win championship. Matia was a great engineer but not a good principal.The biggest problem with Ferrari is they are always strong in first half then, weak in second half losing them championship.
I think having binotto gone could be a good move but i think that he is only part of the problem, personally i think the strategists and strategy calls of the past need to be reviewed.
After 28 years with Ferrari, I am quite sure he has built up a lot of close relationships with-in the engineering department. If I were Ferrari I would be more worried about who he takes with him. It would be so Toto Wolff or Christian Horner to offer Binotto a boatload of cash just to play head games with Ferrari.
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Stable leadership is the secret behind Mercedes & Redbull's success, I was hoping Mattia would be Ferrari's. Nothing has been like Jean Todt's 1993-2007 run with the team
The car was competitive whole season esspecially in the qualifying sessions, okay there was way too much technical and strategic issues but to be honest the Ferrari drivers where also way behind in setting consistent race pace than Red Bull and merc drivers. I believe if Lewis or even Fernando was behind the steer of this Ferrari things could be different. Esspecially Carlos should come much stronger for the next season.
Somehow this seems an excessive move given the progress they have made with the car. A top 2 fastest car seems like a victory to me, albeit with some strategic mishaps. Not sure this move will be prosperous for the team.
Best thing RedBull can do is hire him as an engineer for Alpha Tauri. He may not have been the greatest teamboss but he seriously knows his technical stuff. I think he'd make an excellent chief designer or such.
@T VD RB/AT both use the same engines. (re badged Hondas)
And there is already RBPT division in MK, England.
@TheBrass18 I don't think there is place at RedBull, unless it's at RedBull Power Trains, which would be awesome as well.
Also I was thinking he may not want to move to Milton Keynes, and prefers to stay close to where he lives. Alpha Tauri is in Faenza, Italy.
@T VD T VD, i belive so.
Why would go to AT? That’s a step down and a down grade for him. There are only two teams who deserves his services (RB and MB)
He will be a hot property that's for sure. However, he won't be able to work immediately at another F1 team. He will need to take a sabbatical, so hopefully we will see him back in 2024.
I was hoping he would stay on at the team in a technical role. The guy has been with them his whole adult life. He practically lives there
That’s the biggest argument for his leaving I’ve heard yet. 😎
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I have a toe fungus that's been there its entire life. It doesn't mean it is correct for me to leave it there indefinitely...
Binotto is more ambitious than it looks, he was the one pushing to get promoted to TP and would have never accepted a “step down” into a technical role. It’s unfortunate, because I’m sure he’s a great technical guy and the shape F1-75 was earlier in the season shows it, but I could not see a different scenario. What’s alarming now is that there seems to be no clear
Plan to replace him, with the hottest candidates apparently having refused to join SF.. not a successful story so far
@Sean Goff F1 is motor racing.
If they don't replace the strategist I don't see how this will help them much 😅
Mekies and Rueda. Why Binotto did not reform the strategy department after their countless mistakes, no one knows.
@PraetorGix They need to work on the Chimpanzee's aim as well then, as they were supposed to be aiming the turds at the strategist.
@PraetorGix That explains a lot..😅
Wait you seriously didn't know? They have a wheel of fortune style printout on a wall and a team of chimpanzees takes turns each race to fling a turd at it. The least shit stained slot is the one they pick that weekend.
I loved The Mixup In Monaco, they really threw that one away 😄
Any time a company offers its full, public support of a senior figure, the writing is on the wall.
@Philip DeFranco
‘We’ll tell you when you can quit’
Just like the mafia. 😂
@Damar Fadlan LOL ... Keep living in your Fantasy :)
@Hysteria i think we're talikng about Team Principals here, Drivers are a whole other debate.
@Philip DeFranco uh... vettel?
@Philip DeFranco except Binotto himself.
With or without him the outcome would be the same. And if I was Leclerc (after he had 43 points lead after Melbourne), I would race deliberately behind Max in the next races. This would mean I would still be ahead by 1 point after Canadian GP and not 49 behind like it happened!
It's a tough call but I'm not convinced Sacking Binotto was the way to go. Hiring and making responsible a strong race strategist and allowing Binotto to focus on the larger, picture and future of the team whilst retaining his effective oversight of the engineering side I believe would have been the optimum outcome.
@Mich true that
If he had reformed the strategy department (Mekies and Rueda), he probably would not be in this problem.
Yes, i see you have a lot of experience in the corporate world.
@geonerd if that true for him and his replacement then Ferrari are fk'd!
I don't know that Binotto has the actual clout to fire the incompetent people within the team. 'Protection' is paramount in Ferrari culture, and you can get away with anything so long as you have the support of one or two corporate big-shots.
I think Ferrari was willing to give Binotto another year but he felt that the team didn't have confidence in him so decided to leave.
@fer262 Lol, Leclerc only did that in Brazil, you're acting like it's Leclerc's fault and not the strategy team's. How many times did the strategy team screw Leclerc and Sainz? They got P2 thanks to their drivers being good, they shouldn't even be fighting Mercedes for P2. Why would they fire Leclerc? The guy fought to P2 in drivers against a stronger car and is clearly their faster driver. What are you even talking about blaming Leclerc when he is the one who gave his all to a team who didn't have a winning mentality.
All the mistakes were meant to be done this season? Are you serious? Did we watch the same season? Do I have to count how many times Ferrari screwed their drivers over? Monaco with the double pit (come in come in, no no no stay out stay out), and so on? Seriously?
@Purwanti Allanand i bet it is.
@Purwanti AllanFerrari needed Binotto still.
@Purwanti Allanyep. Too many potentials watered down it seems.
@Syntheo Valdy the issue is Leclerc crying like a baby in the team radio forcing Ferrari to take risky strategies. The team got P2, they didn’t have a car to be P1. And even then, you shouldn’t hate on him for not firing everyone including Leclerc. Ferrari did well, all the mistakes were meant to be done this season, when they didn’t have a chance to win. But tifoshit are the worst fandom in the sport, so they got overhyped and started hating. They are the cancer of this sport.
The way Binotto guided the team out of the engine controversy and subsequent drop in performance always impressed me. At the time he explained their plan to improve and actually exceeded this plan. This year they fielded a car that bettered the Mercedes and achieved many pole positions. Comparatively, that was a great result for the team. I would have been keen to see what they could have achieved over the next two years under Binotto's calm leadership.
I think the main reason his job was threatened is he did not reform the strategy department which seemed to get progressively worse and was a huge oversight which mostly nullified all of the technical advancements and potential. However, I believe he should have stayed next year and given a chance to address this.
Binotto has a lot of options, he has Plan A to Plan Z he can choose from.😂
He's going to Audi sauber
He looks Jewish...
😂
@Harley B B for BIN?
Plan 🅱️ is the best🤣
It seems while most would love to have the prancing horse on their race shirt, few can handle the politics.
From personal experience a culture of fear will suck the life out of anyone and kills innovation.
Finally I took from the video that CL's "people" were not that supportive of him remaining. Crazy a driver with as many WDC as well...me...thinks they should have any input in the matter. There is a very good possibility LeClerc will retire without ever winning a title, and will be forgotten as soon as he is gone.
Had to be done. Leadership was incredibly unprofessional. Putting blame on the drivers rightly so depending on the situation but never on the team when it was called for. For the first half of the season they had the best car but team and driver errors cost them, then second half of the year they hadn’t developed the car as much as others, plus max had fully honed in and was making minimal mistakes as opposed to everyone else. Charles scored the second most points over the last 12 races showing he still had pace, due to his own mistakes but Ferrari more often being the ones letting him down he was out scored by max by almost 100 points during that span. Can’t blame RB18 being dominant for that as both Charles and George outscored checo over last 12 races.
When you're a great engineer & it makes you became a principal, there's no way back if you're failed. Only resignation...
I really think the biggest problem Binotto had this year was that he couldn't seem to admit when mistakes we're made. I agree there should not be a fear culture but you need to be able to address problems so you can find a solution.
@Pedro Paiva I think the main reason his job was threatened is he did not reform the strategy department which seemed to get progressively worse and was a huge oversight which mostly nullified all of the technical advancements and potential.
@CharlesFreck He didn't reform the strategy department. Nothing improved. Management were obviously not impressed and who can blame them?
Just because he didn't scream and shout in front of cameras doesn't mean problems weren't addressed
His public persona speaking in English was very different from his internal actions. He was very strict and demanding, but, having raised through the ranks in the team, believed that people should be given the opportunity to review what went wrong and what could’ve been done differently. Publicly, he was always showing support to his team and his people. This was told to me by someone who worked at Ferrari last season (2021). I’m not saying he’s perfect and did everything right, though.
It proved that Binotto had not addressed the problems when Leclerc rolled down pitlane at Brazil on Inters. That proved that the previous 20 races had been completely ignored and Ferrari refused to learn anything. That's the moment he lost his job.
I think people do underrate him despite what happens on track, like think of it only 2 years ago were they 6th, then last year he managed to get third while everyone said it was near impossible cause of 2020 and this year, while they couldn’t maintain it, they had a real battle for the championship until red bull started taking them by storm, so I’m not sure if this is the best call but generally the whole of Ferrari needs to get better
Such a mess. Threatening to waste Leclerc's massive talent. Ferrari c'mon! Don't think this change will improve things, but I hope things turn around for the team soon..
I believe he would improve every single F1 team in a technical role that isn't as team principal & I truly hope that eventual team will be McLaren.
@Robbo reported and happening are two different t things. Until they “announce” they are still a Merc powered team, and will be until at least 2025
Can't do any worse that Ross brown and his mobile advertising board
Bring back Ron Dennis
@James Mclaren were effectively the Mercedes works team when they achieved everything, ditto back in the Honda days with Senna/Prost. Mclaren has every reason to become a works team again if they want to win again and not become Williams.
Okay I got the perfect D2S story arc, Binotto goes to McLaren and gives Ferrari the ultimate sign of flattery which leads to a clean sweep for McLaren. They take both Constructors and Drivers Championship and then we get another$100,000,000 scandal. That would be quite the show right there.
@Robbo Mclaren has already achieved a lot as an engine customer team, they have no reason to become a works one
Only the naive could believe he left voluntarily . Ferrari mgmt was gracious in allowing him to leave gracefully
Binotto is a classic Peter Principle case he was great as engine head but was woefully inept at TP
Interesting power dynamic in Ferrari siding with there star driver, at least there are sensible board members seeing Leclerc's value instead of highlighting his one major mistake and ignoring the team's multiple failings
Also it's amazing that Christian Horner was the youngest team principal at his appointment and is the longest serving team principal for a single team and has seen 5 Ferrari team principals come and go, I can imagine a smug face on him going "who's the kid now" to his critics back then
Char will come to regret his demand binotto be removed. I hope next team principal will let them race. If not, Carlos should go to Red Bull with Max. Max and Carlos only drivers with zero points on their license. Neither are crybabies. They just want to race.
Binotto and Ferrari equals to DOOM.
Their*
Binotto muscled his way in, and I still believe he was partly responsible for Vettel not winning the title. He expected the engine to give Ferrari a huge advantage but the FIA caught him. 2022 saw how he was hesitant to change, at the cost of repeated errors. It is likely that he lost support of Leclerc, and there was pressure on him making changes he did not want to.
Best decision ever from Ferrari they should've let him go long long time ago
The core problem with Ferrari is that feelings are prioritized over logic.
@Bo Honk And still considerably better than Williams and Mclaren for the past 20 years....even without Schumacher.
That's just cliched nonsense.
@TassieLorenzo He gave them short-term this year. He took a car that had been nowhere for 2 years and won races with it and Leclerc finish second in the driver's championship and they finished in second ahead of Mercedes in the Constructors Championship. He completely changed the toxic Blame Game culture at Ferrari. Now everyone is going to be looking over their shoulder again.
Ferrari were going to fire Jean Todt in 1996! Just check the articles from the time. That would been a good idea (not). The upper management (board) seems to focus on the short-term too much.
Kind of like a crazy girlfriend
I'm not a Ferrari fan by any means (far from it actually) but Binotto was a breath of fresh air for the F1 team. They were always famous for secrecy and being tight lipped but under his management the team was more open and relatable I think.
🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉
1. I don't think that he was the reason for the Ferrari problems
2. I don't think he resigned volunteerly
3. A new Team Principal will not be the solution.
But I think they will take one from inside of Ferrari, even though I would like to see Vettel xD
I’m not sure if the tifosi would be pleased/satisfied with Seb returning so soon especially if he is marketed as a new team principal who will bring both/either championship to Italy
As he failed to do so as a driver and his teammate was the no2 driver to him but to the Tifosi he was and always will be the legend in their eyes as he is the last driver who has delivered it
Sorry..much admiration for SV..but team principal..🤔🤣🤣🤣
As unlikely as it is, Vettel as Ferrari team principal would be… something.
If seb is running strategy Ferrari will be allergic to losing
First. This is why the race is successful. Speed and quality of production. Second. I never understood why Ferrari were so awful under binotto. He's an engine guy in a chassis era. Makes some sense now if not all of it
i think binotto being an engineer is one of the reasons why things went wrong, this is just speculation but i’d imagine he made a lot of excuses for the engineering department despite the poor reliability instead of actually looking into the problem
binotto a engineer he isnt a team boss material, more of a adrian newey type guy. this is like if red bull gave adrian newey the team boss role,
I belive so. Binotto & Ferrari equals to doom. Really.
Mattia Binottto didn't quit. He resigned before Ferrari could fire him
The culture of the team, is undermining it's success. So, they'll have to change the culture to change the team.
"Reverted to type.." means, reverted to an archaic way of running things.
Mattia Binotto's resignation is bad news for Ferrari as unity is the key to success. We will miss him.
Looking at all the fumbling from Ferrari in the past five years, I cannot refrain from thinking about Niki Lauda's expression to describe the fumbling from the 1970s, and it was "Spaghetti Tactics".
Mekies, the Race Director is French and chief strategist is Rueda, Spanish.
The issues were more frequent than not in the team. Too many wrong calls cost them positions and points. The result had to be a change at the top. Fresh outlook is required with a new approach of how the team should be run and how strategic decision mid race should be made. Am I sad to see him go? Yes, but I won't miss the indecision that plagued the team this year. It cost them races, pure and simple.
@Purwanti Allan I don't know his history well enough to comment before this season, but the way the team was run and manage this year was far from ideal. If that's because of his decision making and leadership, then I wholeheartedly agree with you. They may be other factors of course.
@Nick Pressas consider the fact that while Ferrari has shuffled through 4 team principals, Inaki Rueda managed to keep his position and even get a promotion.
@Nick Pressas Agree with the no self critique outlook, that’s not healthy. I seriously believe that Ferrari still has favour based culture where say Rueda is staying regardless what Binotto thinks, because it’s about the higher ups and who they place in what position. True italian mafioso style.
@Allen Vrabac yes but people in the team especially the strategists made so many errors yet he did nothing about it as far as we know, he even refused to acknowledge mistakes made by the team. He may not be directly responsible for the strategic mistakes but how do you not get rid of Rueda after so many blunders, he refused to take action which is why he’s gone. I’ve never seen someone fail so badly at their job and not lose their job than Rueda. I had hoped he’d stay as a engineer and that he would not leave only get stripped of his TP role.
@Purwanti Allan iñaki being replaced should’ve been a higher priority.
It was bound to happen.... This has been a consistent thing ferrari have done across their recent history.... From the very late 80s up to now.
@Dee Acosta 44 years
@Alan McKinnon Ferrari were planning to fire Todt in 1996 after poor reliability. The Italian press were very unhappy with Todt at the time.
Every 4-5 years if you're not winning. Yup.
Binotto had to fix the mess he was given with Ferrari, with the illegal engine and such. This year was promising and it was a shame they lost their grasp on Red Bull, Binotto helped make strides. But obviously they couldn’t win.
@Alan McKinnon precisely. He's French, not Italian.
"Next year will be our year" just turned into "next year will be their problem yet again, and fortunately I no longer have to deal with it anymore"
True. A part of him probably wanted to GTFO. Binotto may not have fought very hard when Ferrari started to push...
Year of problems
Clown otto
Such a huge shame. The most promising and inspirational principal they have had in years - he came SO close to acheiving success - and within the rules.
Really, I don't think so, Ferrari fought for world titles in 2017/18, Binotto took over as team principal and the team went backwards in a big big way, only at the start of this year we're they competitive again.
@Juventin Arrivabene just recently joined the job market again. I would try to bring him back if I could.
where was he close? lmao close to what? Arivabenne was the closest
Yes, agreed. Getting rid of someone who created the second best car is the easy bit. Finding someone better is impossible - given that Newey doesn't need more money and likes living in England.
‘And within the rules’ tell us you’re a crying salty lulu fan without telling us you’re a crying salty lulu fan 😂😂😂😂
Binotto's place of expertise has always been in the engine plant, not the pit strategy wall. The number of tactical blunders and the fact that he refused to own up to them clearly frustrated the drivers, most notably Carlos Sainz Jr., Who overruled the pit wall on more than one occasion this year.
Right, that's the way to win, throw out the expert because experience doesn't matter. As if Ferrari didn't win 2nd in the constructors and have other teams with vast sums of money to compete against.
Binotto should had been fired last year. to not have a replacement showed how incompetent Ferrari has been. Good riddance the way he got this job was because he forced his way because of his ambition.
RocketPoweredMohawk said it well 'as long as Ferrari are Italian they won't be successful. Last time Ferrari were successful, they were run by a Frenchman, an English man and their strategy was run by a man called Nigel from Kent '
@Jared Siew lol how?
As long as it's Italian or Spanish, Ferrari won't be successful
@Mich ok
@Antonio lewis Mekies, Rueda, Bigois, Sanchez and Byrne (still there) are some of the highest positions in the team.
@ChrisMDB Do you think Mekies, Rueda, Bigois, Sanchez and Byrne (still there) are Italian? These are some of the highest positions in the team.
It's amazing. The Race's video addressing the rumors of Binotto's upcoming sacking was one of the few times that I'd heard this channel give him a cautious vote of confidence, so of course he was out in a week or so.
Binotto is very good as engineer chief, not as team chief! The problems Ferrari faced were poor dev and so too many strategy failures (Lec lost at least 5 races because completely wrong strategy). And here should Rueda leave as well! Completely, not allowing him to stay in the team.
At this point the fans and other teams have a better idea of what is going on at Ferrari than Ferrari themselves!
I think he should have left when he said that the team was NOT competing for the championship at the begin of the season. Imagine the message that sends to staff, fans and the drivers. The Race were spot on when they said that Merc and Red Bull won’t offer an opportunity to Ferrari to win, like they did this year.
Binotto isn’t the only shoe to drop. Race engineers, pit stop strategist, top to bottom this team is a disaster
If Ferrari wins next season, half of the credit should be given to Binotto as he was vital in the last 4 years bringing up Ferrari from the ground up again.
@Petidani0330 atleast he put it back into the place before it fell 🤷
from what ground? They fought better back in 2018...
lol Haas F1 will get more points than Ferrari Next year 🤣🤣
@Sharles Leglerg Either you just started watching F1, or you have serious problems with your long-term memory. When you fresh up your knowledge, then we can continue this converstaion - until then, it's a total waste of time
@Sharles Leglerg He was the very reason the were in P6 a few years back to begin with when they built an illegal engine and cheated in the second half of the 2019 season.
In over seventy years of racing, Ferrari has only had two team principals last more then a few years and only ONE team principal who wasn't Italian, Jean Todt.
It almost seems like the teams dedication to their Italian heritage has had more of a negative impact or it's just an absolutely massive coincidence that their most successful era in the sport came about when they were being led by a Frenchman, having their cars designed by a Brit and driven by a German lol.
Todt joined in 1993 but Ferrari were already planning to fire Todt in 1996, it was averted thankfully.
would be hilarious to see Guenther Steiner get a go at the top job
Don’t know why this is “Hilarious” he’s a fookin legend. And he’ll give leclerc plenty of doors to smash.
Actually, Haas could really benefit from Binotto
Oh please yes! Lol Netflix would be thrilled with that!
He will foksmash many things
All Juventus board resigned almost at the same time as Binotto. Maybe there will be a major restructuring all across Exor (Ferrari & Juventus major shareholder)
Exactly, take arrivabene from Juve and put him him back at Ferrari
If they ever make another Ghost busters he could fill in as Egon
He'll be Audi sauber boss, you watch
I don’t think he’s the one should be quitting. Changing the top guy only make the team more unstable, even he may not be the best guy in the role. They just need a little bit more in every aspect, not a complete rebuild. But if they need change, maybe someone not Italian to be in charge could do them good.
The system you just said they left to be more consistent is a total contradiction. Arrivabene had them more competitive than ever with 2 "near misses" and they fired him and got worse as a result. Keeping him on would have been akin to being more "patient". Binotto is and always was an engineer, he was never team manager material and I was never a fan of his. For a guy that's an engine guy also his engines are notoriously unreliable as well. It was time for a change.
You hear it time and again, explicitly or otherwise, from non-Italians that have exited Ferrari... "Ferrari = Chaos" (Maybe what we know as 'chaos' in the English language translates to 'passion' in Italian?) This just makes what Ross Brawn was able to accomplish during his tenure all the more impressive.
It's unfortunate he's moving on. It's the strategists who decide when to pit, what tires to use etc. But at the end of the day the buck stops with the Principal. And I agree Merc is looking like a serious threat for next year. Ferrari can't afford to make so many mistakes.
thought he’d get one more year. Or maybe move back to a tech role. Just too many team related issues this year and that has to fall on the man at the top. I will say if Ferrari’s engine strategy works out over the next few years, Mattia will get his flowers from me lol. That’s why I thought he’d probably get one more season.
@Purwanti Allanone year binotto took the team from crap car to a solid midfielder. one more year, he took that midfielder to the top. he did well
@Purwanti Allan not rlly, this is the man who brought them from the horrible 2020 season back into the top 2
One more year only made them even worse.
Oh how Ferrari must yearn to have the Todd and Brawn days back again.
In the late 90’s they had a fundamentally slower car than the mclaren of Hakinnen and coulthard but we’re very very close to championships through ruthlessly excellent teamwork and strategy execution.
There are rumours that Binotto already has 4 job offers with at least 1 at a top team. Do we know who these teams are and if they're roles as the team principle or a step back into being head of the technical department?
Tbh Ferrari is gonna miss him, he might be a bad manager but he was the best engine designer in the Formula 1 Paddock
Rory Byrne worked on the F1-75 and his contract was renewed for 3 more years.
Lanzhu Zhong also gonna miss Binotto. Ren Hazuki and Kanon Shibuya also gonna miss him.
They need to get rid of the strategy guy as well. I think and English or German needs to be in charge now.
Binotto's only failure was being too nice I think, if he had managed the mistakes properly even this season might have gone differently.
Mekies, the Race Director is French and chief strategist is Rueda, Spanish.
@Christo It is rumoured that Seidl already refused the Ferrari position, he prefers the more stable (more permanent?) McLaren position.
@TassieLorenzo I think it will end up being Fred from Alfa but not sure he’s right.
Maybe someone like Andreas Seidel.
@Christo It's a joke!
@Emmanuel Joseph meaning what?
Huh, Christian Horner has been doing this for 17 years?
No wonder all my F1 memories somehow include him, despite his awesome name! 😁
Because he had a scapegoat in Renault, whose engines weren't up to the task. Otherwise, if other teams were running away with wins while using Renault engines, he would have been gone after winning 4 straight with Vettel 10-13 and then stinking up the track for the next few years.
I reckon they will do a straight swap binnoto for versuer I don't see him being ousted entirely as he is still a good team principal to a degree with loads of expirence and maybe with a lesser pressure team like alfa romeo he might make it work
CTO role requirements are so different from Team Principal requirements... it is similar in other corporations. Highly-skilled people in one area of a business are not always good leaders, let alone CEO. Binotto should not have been named Principal in the first place. I really hope Ferrari finds its way back to a successful, inspiring team.
Clutching defeat from the jaws of victory. Binotto
Binotto’s demise started when he said that Ferrari wasn’t fighting for the championship all of a sudden. Ferrari doesn’t like that kind of talk. I hope that Audi offers Vasseuer a better deal so he stays at Sauber. Perhaps in another 4 years Leclerc could go there after being with Ferrari for possibly 7(?) years. It would be interesting to see who Ferrari could come up with other than FV.
There are 2 reasons why Binnotto left Ferrari:
1) He failed to establish driver hierarchy which forced the team drivers and their teams to drive against each other instead of against their rivals.
This has caused HUGE internal strife.
On one side, Leclercs team was adamant that Leclerc is the faster driver and that the car development and strategies should move forward in his favor.
On the other side, Sainz team was pressuring to give more time to Sainz to get accustomed to the car and for the car development to go in his favor because he has more experience in F1 car development.
Binotto failed to take the decision to back Leclerc up when he was leading the championship and Sainz was way behind.
And as the season went on he kept assuring people that when the time comes he will appoint a No1 driver but he never did right up to the very end.
This shows a lack of determination to lead the team which has caused many problems between his 2 drivers and their teams. Problems which could have been solved easily if he would simply give the orders that were needed.
2) The second reason was his inability to actually solved organizational problems especially about his strategy team and the communications between the 2 driver teams.
First of all, the strategy team was, to the lack of better word, completely inadequate to fulfill their duties. Race after race, the team continued to always make the wrong decisions and even made some decisions that were so wrong, that they became the laughing stock of the paddock. And even when the strategy team somehow managed to take good decisions, the rivalry between the 2 drivers, the bad communication between the teams and the lack of leadership from Binotto, caused the strategies of the 2 drivers to be conflicting instead of part of a larger strategy for the good of the team.
Binnoto failed to take those actions that could have made the strategy team better by either removing members of it or bringing in new blood and also failed to take the lead and upon him to prioritize a driver, even at race by race , which cause conflicting strategies and ultimately bad results for the team both in points and in the relationship between them.
So you see, Binotto is a great engineer but he lack leadership. That's the problem here.
Fair enough, but these are all relatively minor points and not worth sacking the TP over. For whatever reason, Santander and Sainz Jr & Sr have a lot of political power, so the car did indeed get developed to more understeer. Regardless, the team has shown steady improvement.
Interesting points. Thank you for sharing!
The tradition in Ferrari is that Bosses get their own drivers. Like Todt got Michael and Kimi, Stefano got Alonso, Arrivebene got Seb (actually it was Mitias or something) and Kimi, Binotto got Lerclerc and Sainz. Now, it'd be interesting to see who the new boss with bring. The tradition is to change the previous boss driver line up in Ferrari.
It was not Binotto who got Leclerc, it was Sergio Marchionne . Binotto did get Sainz though.
they made such good progress, especially with the mentioned stabillity in the team. now their gonna fall back to third next year at least, if merc doesn't drop the ball again.
Personally for me was when they had a car to win the championship & Binotto's attitude was not to fight for it, that right there should've told you everything you needed to know about how the team was being managed. As a team principal being on pace with Redbull & ahead of Mercedes, I would absolutely be fighting for the championship full force. I would've started moving pieces as soon as the team started making mistakes. I would put absolute pressure for the drivers to perfom every weekend. Just my take. They were weak to begin with, mechanical they were on top, attitude was in the mud.
Sometimes you have to off-load a huge turd. Binotto off-loaded Ferrari
I love this channels take on the binotto situation, the Tifosi, shareholders of Ferrari and all of F1 have been begging for him to be removed for 2 years. The Race waxes idyllic and lyrical about the impacts of the revolving door in Maranello, and shows that they misunderstand that the Scuderia is a business. Binotto should have been let go before VET left Ferrari as he mismanaged car development and race weekend performance.
He probably went to sign his contract but tapped the "do not consent" button by mistake.
The main thing Binotto needed to do was reform the strategy department (Mekies and Rueda). Why did he not do this?
Binotto should coach Haas.
Damn, I think there will be no 3 way battle for next year.
Redbull will run away with it again if Mercs don’t solve their issues in time.
@Purwanti Allan that is if mclaren can build a good car, because alpine is beating them
Aaron, i hope 2023 could be a battle between RB vs Merc vs McLaren.
Mattia's departure from Ferarri would lead to more problems than solving it. Mattia's overlooking the development of 2023's package. His ability to come up with engines that can challenge the top teams in teams in terms of power.
And the worst case scenario with this Ferrari's series of fuckery is that he landed a job with teams like Merc that would welcome him with open arms.
it’s so sad to see this team self destruct every time
Above Scuderia Ferrari, there's Ferrari, then above that there's Fiat-Chrysler.
Poor Ferrari 😂
You'd have to wonder why Elkan is seen as immune from blame, he's never come across very well in anything I've ever seen about him and surely if the jewel in the crown of the company is failing then he has to pick up some of the slack, just like Binotto has for failings that were ultimately not his alone.
This is the smallest surprise of the whole season. It’s so Ferrari to have the “problem” martyr themselves for the good of the team. Then no one else has to take responsibility for the obvious TEAM failure. I highly doubt that they will maximize potential without a heavy hand like Enzo provided.
to be honest thats really unfortunate ....he is the guy who made Ferrari a front running team,,,,,
@halofreak1990 it was the other guy that said it was good that Vettel went, not me. Calm down fanboy.
@Elian Iorio Farrell Lmao. As if Ferrari's failures were caused by Vettel. Ferrari's strategy team is why Vettel never got a title with them, just like how Leclerc will never have one unless they shake up the strategy department
@Sumit Blogs he didn't actually, Elkann got rid of Vettel.
@Elian Iorio Farrell I am talking about this year and last years progress too and also played a very good part in removing sebastian vettel
Brought it back to being a front running team after his illegal engine design yes.
Good for Binotto. Better to choose your exit than be forced.
I probably would have given him another year. From the engine debacle thru the 2022 season there was steady improvement. But it was fairly obvious there was tension between him and Leclerc. Once that happened and it never seemed to really be resolved, the writing was on the wall for Mattia.
It was pretty obvious Ferrari knew things couldn’t carry on like this. Since Mattia was TP, he was responsible for the mistakes that were made even if he wasn’t directly involved in it.
It's been a meme in an F1 group I was a member of since 1998, which is now called f1ngers, that a denial is always a precursor for the confirmation in F1... 😆 Jokes aside... this is not terribly unexpected, as there may have been some pressure to get him out after this season, no matter the causes of the mistakes and blunders and mechanical issues in the team.
Binotto arguably is out because he outperformed expectations against the planned progression early in the season. Once the title seemed achievable, it was no longer enough to “just” be challenging MB for 2nd.
7:10 this is what Tifosi and Ferrari need to listen. Under Jean Todt, Ross Brawn and Schumi, Ferrari doesn't straight getting the championship even with competitive/fastest car. They need to wait til 2000 for their championship streak.
Anyway, make Binotto out of the Ferrari imo is bad idea. Imo, either replace the strategist or move him to engineering department
its odd really. in the same year that Ferrari stepped up compared to last season, Mercedes took a rare dip in form, yet in the media and on social media Ferrari is the laughing stock. This is a study in how public opinion is strongly misguided by the media.
Can't say I'm suprised, think it's been a long time coming given they've screwed up Leclerc's championship campaign to it's only fair Mattia Binotto should go.
My 2¢, it kind of goes back to Areto Benes... But even then there was a sense that the culture of fear was pushed by something deeper than him If so Binoto's was only a replacement to cover-up a deeper problem.
This is where I am at with Binottos he had to go but not for the right reasons.
On the flip side he had Leclerc team, he no doubts want to win titles and time is going by age wise and time is going by contract wise 2025 is not that far.
The Long Term solution Ferrari appears to need is not a concern for the drivers.
If Binottos was trying to play the long game my bet would be that the next boss will play the (very) short game.
That to me seems like gambling instead of planning.
Never quite liked Binotto as a boss, wish he could have stayed within the family.
It's no massive surprise really is it? We've been expecting this since mid-summer.
He's not to blame for Ferrari short comings. He didn't make the parts by hand so he can't be blamed for engine failures. His only failure I can see is not firing the strategist. Ferrari acts like they will just hire a new guy and win championships. Even though every other team proves long term small gains win you championships eventually. Ferrari had ONE good run in recent history with Schumacher. And that's it.
Aw man I had my share of fun watching Binotto and crew tank every race but hearing him offer his resignation is kind of sad. Poor fella.
Yep. Shame of Binotto.
Mercedes and Red Bull, who have both done "quite well" over the last 12 years have had their leadership teams remain quite stable. Ferrari have changed their leadership as often as they have changed their race strategy. Cause, or effect?
I get what you’re saying, almost like Watford and Chelsea in football, but Ferrari have been the closest competition to Mercedes’ in those years up until 2019 really, binotto is not a people manager, he’s very technical and knowledgable which is why I wish we keep him in the engine department or some engineering role. Binotto just didn’t have what it takes to make key decisions about the team personnel
Ferrari's race day decisions were mostly disastrous, really hampering it's chances to win. He needed to go, Ferrari needs much more discipline as a team if they want to win. Proven by their bad pit stops, poor race strategy, too slow decision making, and on, and on.....
The problem with Ferrari is their utter inability to admit their mistakes and the complete detachment from reality they show sometimes. When Binotto said something along the lines of "the objective wasn't to win the championship but rather to be competitive" after throwing away some wins, I completely lost it. It makes no sense
He does not have the sense of leadership and competitiveness.
And there goes the 2023 title challenge. They needed stability atleast till 2026 gain trust build on learnings through the season.
Ironing out all the wrinkles in a large organization like an F1 team takes time and alot of work.
One change won't fix things.
Perhaps Binotto's failing is that he didn't admit any weakness on the team's part, even when it was blatantly obvious that there was. Either he did see it, but he refused to admit, thus alienating driver and fans, or he didn't see it really, which is a fatal flaw and he got to go (you can't improve on what you don't think you do wrong).
There’s too much internal politics involved at Ferrari, he can’t out his team even when they’re doing poorly because it looks bad.
Ferrari needs a team principal from outside Italy and most of all to fire the entire pitwall if they want to win championship. Matia was a great engineer but not a good principal.The biggest problem with Ferrari is they are always strong in first half then, weak in second half losing them championship.
I think having binotto gone could be a good move but i think that he is only part of the problem, personally i think the strategists and strategy calls of the past need to be reviewed.
After 28 years with Ferrari, I am quite sure he has built up a lot of close relationships with-in the engineering department. If I were Ferrari I would be more worried about who he takes with him. It would be so Toto Wolff or Christian Horner to offer Binotto a boatload of cash just to play head games with Ferrari.
5th team principal in this error alone 🤯🤯🤯 just that alone speaks volumes. Ferrari being an enemy to itself 😓